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Bucharest - Cluj Napoca - and the greatest communist legacy.
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There is no doubt that Bucharest and other Romanian cities, such as Cluj Napoca, are booming.
On my latest trip I read that the Romania national football team have already qualified for Euro 2008 – well ahead of you know who…
I also saw the first Bucharest store selling replica Romania football shirts and baseball caps – and I think we’ll have a lot more of that ‘in your face’ consumerism to come.
As some of the older readers of Property Secrets know, I have a personal hunch that football success and local property price growth go hand in hand. Now I know the wheels came off this theory during the last world cup – but it is significant and important to note new EU countries national teams (Croatia and Poland included) are doing better and better…
… now of course, my football and property theory is not perfect, as Arsenal’s 7-0 victory of the main Prague team showed last week – but if you look at the general trend you can see a clear pattern emerging.
In addition, during the trip I made last week, a further commercial tenant was announced for the Nokia Village of Jucu in Cluj Napoca. A large Finnish printing firm is going to invest €40m and is creating lots of jobs.
In fact, the project manager for this new Nokia led industrial / business park is predicting a similar announcement every month for the next 6 months or so!
Last week I travelled with a number of colleagues and investors who were making their first trip to the city.
They consistently remarked that they were 'constantly surprised that….’ or that ‘Bucharest is like Spain 15 years ago, although it is going to develop much faster than Spain'
Yes, absolutely, I couldn’t have said it better myself.
The problem with most Brits or even Spanish or Irish investors who have never visited Romania is that they struggle to imagine the speed at which Romania is developing.
Just because the UK took 200 years to industrialised and urbanise doesn’t mean that other countries need to take that long too.
Just because Spain’s ex-dictatorship and EU entry economic miracle took 30 years – doesn’t mean that Romania – or any of the Central European countries will take as long.
In fact, I would imagine that the same development will take around 10 to 15 years. Half of the time it took in Spain and up to 20 times faster than in the UK.
Hence, it isn’t surprising that many investors who have not experienced Romania still have trouble coming to terms the nature of the property investment opportunities in Bucharest and Romania and second cities like Brasov and Cluj-Napoca.
The serious advice I heard was that when you visit Romania you should wipe your mind of your prejudices and start again!
Why? Because Romania is not what you expect. The phrase most commonly used was ‘I was really surprised…’
So, why is this? Why does Romania have the potential to develop so much faster than Britain did or even Spain did?
Two answers really.
1.) Firstly, the global financial markets allow much much more money to be focused on booming economies and so create an avalanche of economic development.
I heard a report yesterday that said that China’s economic development had slowed to just over 11% but that the country wasn’t over heating because inflation remained at around 1% and that 40% of the growth was due to investment spending!
11% growth isn’t happening to the booming economies of CEE (more like 6 to 10%) but growth is happening in a similar way – ie. rapid growth due to investment spending, followed by substantial leaps in exports and then (or in parallel) the development of domestic consumption.
2.) Secondly – and this is the big reason – the population of central and Eastern Europe is a lot smarter than you’d think. There are a substantial number of remarkably well educated and qualified people.
This means that once an idea catches on – or a new way of doing business is introduced, the local population are remarkable well qualified to pick it up and run with the opportunity.
I think this explains why foreign expat managers don’t stay long in New Europe – because they aren’t needed once they’ve handed over the core skills and work practices.
I was again impressed by the range and calibre of business people I met in Romania and I can see no reason why Property Secrets, as an international business, shouldn’t source relevant business services from this country. I would say that I am confident that in Romania we are able to contract with well qualified and smart people – who get business and offer services at affordable rates.
So, how is this transformation taking place? I believe it is on the back of a highly developed educational system.
The legacy of communism is a dedication to education. Therefore, it is my personal experience that the levels of education are far higher then the current GDP would suggest.
And that this implies that the GDP will grow rapidly – not that education levels will decline.
I believe this is one of the key reasons for foreign investment – and the great thing about investment in skilled work forces is that it tends to be the type of investment that benefits the wider economy and so creates a virtuous circle.
Let me finish off with a story.
Last month, my colleague was travelling on the Sofia metro and he started speaking to a 55 year old lady. The lady was very knowledgeable and, of course, spoke perfect English. When my colleague complimented her on her English and asked if she had travelled a lot, she said yes – meaning she regularly used the Sofia metro.
So he asked her more directly if she had travelled or worked in the UK. ‘No’ she said, ‘I’ve only ever been to Sofia’.
The English was learned locally and is an indication of the levels of education and equally, another reason to see economic development in this region as sustainable and inevitable.
So, if education is the great communist legacy, then curiously this communist legacy is proving to be a key catalyst for growth and equally, the development of the residential property market and hence investment opportunities for investors.
Cheers Neil
Ps. I have rumours that the Romania’s are regarded as the smartest foreign IT engineers (after the Indian’s). Anyone know where that rumour started? Or, indeed, if it holds any truth?
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POSTED BY
NEIL LEWIS
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MON 29TH OCTOBER
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11:44 GMT
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Romania Property, Cluj-Napoca Property, Bucharest Property, Brasov Property
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BUCHAREST - CLUJ NAPOCA - AND THE GREATEST COMMUNIST LEGACY.
thanks, neil. much that's convincing in your opinion of romania's property market. i've heard from friends in IT that romania and bulgaria both produce excellent staff (and very effective virus originators).
what about the very real possibility that romania (and poland?) may find their economic growth leading to inflation, and interest rate hikes?
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POSTED BY
DAN W
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TUE 30TH OCTOBER
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16:19
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BUCHAREST OFF-PLAN?
Good article Neil. Its true that Romanians do seem to be more up and doing than some other countries i´ve travelled to.
Theres no limit to how fast the place can grow, cos people are hard workers and have work ethic and good educational background.
Take Spain for instance, I love the people and the country but the work ethic doesn´t seem to be here and can be awkward to do business efficiently in this country at times.
Its no criticism to spain but this thursday is a holiday here so that means little will get done this week at all and productivity is so low!
Not saying that Spaniards aren´t bright people but the warm weather and lifestyle here isn´t geared much to working hard and not many people in spain speak good english and even if they do they may not have confidence to use the english they know.
I doubt we could say the same for Romania, as u have just pointed out.
By the way, do PS plan to source anymore off-plan deals in bucharest? Its unusual that we haven´t seen any deals from bucharest for a while.. Does it have something to do with the fact that entry price is higher than people expect or desire or thats its simply impossible to source deals?
For me a 90,000€ apartment in bucharest is a good investment but i guess prices have gone up a bit.
Best regards
Liam
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POSTED BY
LIAMVALENCIA
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TUE 30TH OCTOBER
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18:04
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COMMUNIST LEGACY
I guess your article aims to stimulate discussion by throwing in a few contraversial comments.
With regards football......football in Romania is almost a religion and played by kids in the streets everywhere. perhaps that explains why S. Bucharest won the European cup pre 1989 revolution. I seem to remember England was a good team in the 60's in the good old days.....jumpers for goal posts etc!
My wife is a good example of a Romanian who taught herself English. This was not really a product of the Education system although I agree that Educational standards are high on lower budgets than the UK, but more a result of wall to wall American TV in the early 90s.
As regards IT......perhaps the rumour emanated from Romania!
On a more serious note, I have heard many stories about the pre 1989 regime and how the masses were treated like animals. My wife for example studied by candle light in the early 80s because the electricity was turned off by the state for days on end, even in mid winter when temperatures are well below zero. Perhaps ( and I hate to generalise) the real secret of success is the general hunger for a better existence when looking over at the lifestyle in the West.
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POSTED BY
ALAN RICHARDS
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WED 31ST OCTOBER
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09:02
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EDUCATION LEGACY
Hi Alan
Good points - it is hard to say why the eduction level in Romania is high (relative to GDP) and the key point is that 'it is'!
In a way, I'm making comparisons to Spain.
One of the reasons salaries are low in Spain (ave salary of 1,700 Euros per month vs 3,600 in UK) is because of the massive expansion in qualified people in the 25 to 35 year age group.
This was partly driven by relatively high education standards during Franco's time - but also a boom in demand for education as people saw salvation and escape in studying.
The key is that it has left Spain with a legacy - and will do the same in Romania.
Cheers
Neil
ps. I agree that Spanish productivity is low - but so was the UK's productivity growth in the 90's. This appears to be how countries develop. I believe that you will see rapid increases in productivity in Spain in the coming years.
pps. The Spanish are the hardest workers of wester Europe. 9am to 7pm days are typical for most people - and the Siesta time is rapidly becoming a sandwich at the desk! Sad, but true!
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POSTED BY
NEIL LEWIS
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WED 7TH NOVEMBER
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12:26
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EDUCATION IN ROMANIA
Hi again,
I thought I would add a few comments on this having had eight years experience of Romania where I have had a good understanding of the development of the Romanian graduate and postgraduate educational systems.
Post 1989 it used to be the case that there were only the four main State Universities. To gain a place you ahd to pass an entrance exams. Standards were exceptionally high.
Since that time their has been an explosion in University education with significant expansion through the private sector and the 'upgrading' of Colleges to University status. This is similar to what happened in the UK with the old Polytechnics becoming Universities. Just as happened in the UK in my opinion quality of education has suffered...but is still superior to that of the UK.
As part of the process of European harmonisation promoting the mobility of labour there are a number of international agreements which promote the harmonisation of qualifications and training....see for example the Bologna Agreement which has already had the effect of reducing Romanian graduate education from four years to three years and ensuring that Masters courses are of two years duration rather than one.
The overriding factor for me that preserves what Neil rightly calls the Communist legacy is the attitude of parents and the strength of the family. Parents believe that education will give their children a better future and of course children believe this too. It is usual to have a Degree and a Masters and many Romanians are sufficiently talented to study internationally. Doctorates are also part of the normal educational agenda for a significant number.
So what is critical is this belief that education will give young people a better future. This belief has to be turned into reality hence the importance of foreign investment and European salaries to keep these talented people in their own country and build its future.
What is also interesting about Cluj is the growing number of foreign students studying here. Why are Indians an dothers coming here to study medicine...an even IT? Going back to one of Neil's earlier questions about the course of the fact that Romanians are second only to Indians working in the field of IT in the UK....if you looked at the numbers as a petrcentage of the population or of graduates...Romanians would not be second...they would be in a different League all on their own!
Kind regards
Charles
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POSTED BY
CHARLES BELL
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WED 7TH NOVEMBER
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14:14
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CLUJ IS NUMBER 1!
Hi Neil
I like your football theory. Cluj has two teams. CFR Cluj are currently top of the League here in Romania. Unfortunately the other team is bottom of the League but did beat Steau Bucharest recently! How does that impact on your property investment decisions?
I agree wholeheartedly with your comments about Romanian education. Go to http: / /www .ippr .org .uk /publicationsandreports /publication .asp?id=457 and you will find a report prepared in advance of Romanian and Bulgarian accession. It makes very interesting reading...the government totally ignored it of course and used accession as an excuse to make it even more difficult for Romanians to work in the UK (the requirement to have a worker accession card and unfair procedures for spouses). Go to page 24 at the top and you will find the following statement:
'For example, Romanian migrants working in the global IT sector
are second only to Indians in their volume and many Romanian social workers,
unable to find work at home, practise their profession in the UK.'
I was responsible for those Romanian social workers..the authors jumped to the conclusion that they went to the UK because they couldnt get jobs here. They had jobs (although I spotted a number of young and extremely talented ones who got their first jobs in the UK) but the problem was that there was no job mobility; a declining NGO sector and extremely low salaries in the public sector.
I used to refer to my social workers as 'bloody brilliant Romanians' because that's exactly what they are. The majority were graduates from Cluj and Iasi..Bucharest graduates tended not to be of the same intellectual quality. IT and social work are very different professions which I guess assists in demonstrating Romanian flexibility and diversity.
I've attached some pics with some stories...every single one I took to the UK had a story!
Kind regards
Charles of Cluj
The Upload Images button is not working! I'll post another reply...Romanian talent.
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POSTED BY
CHARLES BELL
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WED 31ST OCTOBER
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13:34
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BLOODY BRILLIANT ROMANIANS
HI Neil and others
Let's hope the Upload button works this time or I am writing this for nothing.
When I started recruiting Romanian social workers the first group of five were interviewed by Suffolk in December 2002. All got jobs...and Suffolk were so impressed that by February the next year they spend three days in Bucharest interviewing.
Later on that year in September 2003 I brought nine social workers over to the UK for interviews. I had three sets of interviews that week and all got jobs by the end of it including Ana. Ana is a Cluj graduate and at that time she had one year's post qualification experience. She was a bit of a monkey but I have the gift of spotting talent. Earlier this year she got promoted by Lincolnshire to a senior Team manager post with a nice salary in excess of 40 thousand pounds. Not bad for a 28 year old.
The next example of Romanian talent is Elena pictured in the Moroccasn desert last Easter. Elena had graduated in 2003 and just could not get a job in Romania. She spent 9 months as an au pair in Belgium and contacted me because she wanted to come to the UK as an au pair. I asked her how she saw her future in 3 year's time to which she replied that her dream was to work as a social worker. I promised to make her dream come true and hired her as my PA. She moved from Iasi to Cluj and after 6 weeks cheekily asked me if she could have a little holiday in the UK. I could not refuse and when she came to the UK I happened to have two interview opportunities. I told the relevant Managers that I do not employ monkeys and that Elena was worthwhile interviewing. They reluctantly followed my advice and both Managers offered Elena a job necause they too recognised that she was talented. She now does a lot of court work for Thurrock; flies to Marrakech every six weeks or so where she has a Moroccan boyfriend.
The last pic is Luciana a social worker from Bucharest.Luciana is a very good friend and earler this year she brought several mebers of her family to the UK for a visit. I met her Aunt who is from Cluj and works as an electrical supervisor on the Iulius Mall project here in Cluj and her cousin, Sorin, is regarded as the best geological engineer here in Cluj.
So I hope these three stories - there are many more - back up your opinion that Romanians are highly educated and motivated to succeed!
Regards
Charles
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POSTED BY
CHARLES BELL
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WED 31ST OCTOBER
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18:38
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BLOODY BRILLIANT ROMANIANS
HI Neil and others
Let's hope the Upload button works this time or I am writing this for nothing.
When I started recruiting Romanian social workers the first group of five were interviewed by Suffolk in December 2002. All got jobs...and Suffolk were so impressed that by February the next year they spend three days in Bucharest interviewing.
Later on that year in September 2003 I brought nine social workers over to the UK for interviews. I had three sets of interviews that week and all got jobs by the end of it including Ana. Ana is a Cluj graduate and at that time she had one year's post qualification experience. She was a bit of a monkey but I have the gift of spotting talent. Earlier this year she got promoted by Lincolnshire to a senior Team manager post with a nice salary in excess of 40 thousand pounds. Not bad for a 28 year old.
The next example of Romanian talent is Elena pictured in the Moroccasn desert last Easter. Elena had graduated in 2003 and just could not get a job in Romania. She spent 9 months as an au pair in Belgium and contacted me because she wanted to come to the UK as an au pair. I asked her how she saw her future in 3 year's time to which she replied that her dream was to work as a social worker. I promised to make her dream come true and hired her as my PA. She moved from Iasi to Cluj and after 6 weeks cheekily asked me if she could have a little holiday in the UK. I could not refuse and when she came to the UK I happened to have two interview opportunities. I told the relevant Managers that I do not employ monkeys and that Elena was worthwhile interviewing. They reluctantly followed my advice and both Managers offered Elena a job necause they too recognised that she was talented. She now does a lot of court work for Thurrock; flies to Marrakech every six weeks or so where she has a Moroccan boyfriend.
The last pic is Luciana a social worker from Bucharest.Luciana is a very good friend and earler this year she brought several mebers of her family to the UK for a visit. I met her Aunt who is from Cluj and works as an electrical supervisor on the Iulius Mall project here in Cluj and her cousin, Sorin, is regarded as the best geological engineer here in Cluj.
So I hope these three stories - there are many more - back up your opinion that Romanians are highly educated and motivated to succeed!
Regards
Charles
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POSTED BY
CHARLES BELL
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WED 31ST OCTOBER
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18:40
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ELENA
Elena didnt upload so here she is. Another talented One.
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POSTED BY
CHARLES BELL
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FRI 2ND NOVEMBER
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04:54
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ROMANIAN TALENT
Neil
Just to add some spice to your footbal theory you should be aware that the Cluj women's football team are by far the best in the country.
Charles
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POSTED BY
CHARLES BELL
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WED 31ST OCTOBER
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13:42
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WOMENS' FOOTBALL
Hi Charles - that means the Cluj ladies team is like Arsenal - top of the league!
This matters greatly, as I am both a proud father of two girls and an Arsenal fan. Currently, they are playing basketabll - but there is always hope!
Cheers
Neil
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POSTED BY
NEIL LEWIS
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WED 31ST OCTOBER
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15:47
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GREAT POSTS CHARLES
Hi Charles
Really interesting posts on Romania and Cluj - both here and elsewhere. Really whetting my appetite for the place. Perhaps I'll do some exploring soon.
Huw
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POSTED BY
HUW
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WED 7TH NOVEMBER
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13:19
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Neil Lewis, CEO and founder of Property Secrets, is an experienced property investor in his own right and author of two highly successful property investment books, Buy To Let Secrets and Property Developer Secrets.
Neil owns property in the UK, Spain, Poland, Romania and the Czech and Slovak Republics. He is a regular columnist for Property Week magazine and has been quoted in a number of UK and European broadsheet newspapers and magazines.
A regular speaker at property investment events, Neil has appeared at CEPIF in Warsaw and the Property Investor Show and the Homebuyer Show, both in London.
His business background is from publishing to a wide range of industries such as Finance, Music, Travel, Economics and Politics before setting up Property Secrets seven years ago. Neil studied Philosophy and speaks German, Spanish and a lot of English.
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