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Wake up and Smell the Coffee – the Romanian property investment opportunity that is passing people by….



A number of property investors are still a little shy of investment property in Romania.

Property Secrets members will be familiar that we have regarded this country as offering some of the most exciting (and admittedly ‘raw’) investment opportunities available anywhere in the world – but within a low risk (EU, stable, democratic, reform lead, mortgage based, booming country).

However, many British (and Spanish too) investors get hung up on one question – that is…



How can Romanians afford to buy property when the average wage is around 350
Euros per month?

The answer is simple – most Romanians either earn a lot less – perhaps 50 to 150 Euros per month – and a large number of Romanians living in big cities earn a lot more (600 to 5,000 Euros per month).

The average comes out at 350 per month – which, by the way, only a few people earn!

Still, low manufacturing wages are a key reason for companies investing in plants in Romania.

But it is not the only reason! Also, the IT skills of Romanians are second in the world market to only those of Indian expats.

And Romania is now a key logistics centre and a booming consumer economy (2nd largest of the recent accession countries after Poland) which is generating considerable internal demand for supermarkets to superbrands!

The truth is that Romania is a country of ‘haves’ and ‘have nots’ in a way that is not familiar to West Europeans unless they have spent some time travelling in Asia or similar countries.

This ‘have’ and ‘have not’ structure extends to cars (Audi Q7s to those who hitch-hike daily or walk many miles per day) and property too (4 people crammed in a 30m2 studio flat built in the 1960s according to a crumbling North Korean style vs modern 1 bed-roomed flats with 60m2 space and a balcony).

– I bet if you are still reading this you might still be thinking – ‘hmm… not sure I believe that…’

Well, let me give you a comparison.

As anyone living in a Latin country will confirm, Coffee is a staple food! More so that hamburgers, I believe.

In Spain, Italy and any other Latin country Coffee is consumed the way the Brits drink tea – only, it is always drunk in a bar (and not made at home).

That means it is bought and consumed by people who work in fields along side people who clean the streets and others who work in smart suits and shinny new offices.

(Actually, this is exactly the make up of the average coffee drinker in the coffee bar next to our Spanish Property Secrets office in Valencia).

Therefore, like the Economist’s famous hamburger test – if I compare the cost of a Café Con Leche/ Cappuccino / Milky Coffee – then I can see the actual spending power of the local population?

To carry out this test, I have tasted and bought a Cappuccino equivalent in the trendiest bar in town (Yes, it’s a hard life!). These are my results so far

Valencia, Spain, main square– 2.20€ (not long ago it was 1€)
Budapest, Hungary, main square – 2.90€
Cluj-Napoca, Romania, main square – 1.50€

Now, what is important here is to remember that the average wage in Romanian (remember ‘average’ is just a calculation – it doesn’t mean anyone actually earns it) is just 350 Euros per month.

So, those investors who fret about average wages and the ability to buy and sell and rent property would want to know that an average wage would buy 230 cups of coffee per month – that is just over 7 cups per day.

It is quite common to drink 3 or 4 coffees per day. This would, therefore, be the equivalent of half of a monthly way – before tax!

Add the taxes and you can see that on average wages you can drink about 6 cups per day! This is not allowing for food or shelter or clothes or transport or anything else!

What this shows – I hope – is that the average wage is a crazy way to judge the spending power of Romanians – because the country is so sharply divided amongst the ‘real earners’ and the ‘subsistence earners’.

The important point here is that the coffee shops I visited in the centre of Cluj-Napoca weren’t just surviving but thriving! They were creating a young trendy fashionable environment in which you could sip your Cappuccino, Moca, Shake or Cocktail of any variety or type. (Please see the photo above - note, there are a number of people sipping Cappuccinos - these are your likely property buyers and renters)

Such conspicuous consumerism is a clear sign of a booming middle class – of aspiration – and of people who want to move from rotten old north Korean designed 60s block architecture to something modern, clean, bright, functioning and new.

I am not denying that many people living in rural areas (still a large amount of people) are living a peasant / subsistence way of life. Nor that some people living the in the cities – perhaps 30% living in very poor conditions.

Not at all.

I am simply saying that this ‘average’ view of Romania does not help you understand what is really happening in the new and booming cities. Nor does it help you make wise property investment decisions.

However, there is a very important point about Romanian cities…

The trick – and it is a very important trick – is to figure out which cities are booming and which are not.

Bucharest, the capital, clearly is going through a massive boom phase.

However, where else? Well, I believe that Cluj-Napoca (on the wealthy western border of Romania) is positioning itself to become the 2nd city of Romania (perhaps challenged by Constanta at the opposite end of the country and on the black sea).

This is a city that is drawing jobs away from neighbouring Hungary as well as pulling in building and factory workers from nearby towns such as Bistrita and Dej.

Cluj-Napoca is also pulling more than its ‘average’ share of funds from central government and has an ambitious plan to tap a large share of EU funds too.

Either way, the road transport – the major European highway from Budapest to Vienna – will pass by the edge of Cluj Napoca and its population is (ambitiously) forecast to grow from 500,000 in the metropolitan area to 2m in the next 10 years.

Hence, Cluj Napoca is the best candidate I’ve seen so far for our 200% club – and I think it has many of the features that Valencia, Spain had 5 years ago. (Valenica’s property prices have grown 200% in the past 5 years – and we are looking for more of the same…).

And… in 5 years time… a coffee on the main town square of Cluj-Napoca will cost much more than 1.5€. I reckon it will be well past 3€ and average property prices will be 250,000€ and not 80,000€.

For Property Investors it is time to wake up and smell the coffee – while there is still time and a cappuccino costs just 1.5€.

Cheers
Neil

Ps. Tomorrow I am off to the smaller Romanian city of Sibiu – European capital of culture for 2007 and another city that is drawing investment and inhabitants away from other cities as it builds its position as the capital of the local Saxon area (strong cultural ties with Germany and a lot of German spoken).

Pps. After Sibiu, I’m off to Brasov, Bucarest and Constanta – all of which will be strong candidates…. (how on earth am I going to put these cities in an ordered list?)
POSTED BY NEIL LEWIS ON THU 26TH JULY AT 21:15 GMT
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WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE – THE ROMANIAN PROPERTY INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY THAT IS PASSING PEOPLE

'And… in 5 years time… a coffee on the main town square of Cluj-Napoca will cost much more than 1.5€. I reckon it will be well past 3€ and average property prices will be 250,000€ and not 80,000€.' With respect, if PS were selling properties in Romania at 80,000 euros then I would be a lot happier about buying them. The fact is that the prices of your recent offers have been uncomfortably close to UK levels. I can't shake off the suspicion that developers are milking foreign investors for all they are worth. They saw what happened in Poland, and they know that investors want another slice of that.


POSTED BY MINSK ON FRI 27TH JULY AT 12:45 Reply To Post
ROMANIAN PRICES

Hi Minsk Fair point. I think one always has to be careful not to be the last investor to arrive at the party. However, I think there is a difference between Cluj prices and Bucharest prices. I don't think many developers are basing prices on Poland - perhaps with the possible exception of some international developers in Bucarest. Many of the developers I have met on this trip are Romanian and have been asking us to guide them on what our investors want - which suggests that they don't actually know too much about what is happening outside their own market? It is true that margins on land are substantial - but it is hard to argue that a new build should be less than a panelak - and these do sell for quite big sums. Still - land has risen very rapidly to a more market based price - and I think those margins are going to get badly squeezed in the next two years as construction costs rocket. Hence, investors getting fixed price contracts now will come out right in 1 to 2 years time once the contractors have put their prices up. It is true tho, that in any market that is as bullish as this one, that you need to be careful to choose right. Cheers Neil ps. We are just seeing the beginning of the Romanians living abroad - aparently Romanians living and working in Spain bought an entire first phase of a major development by a Spanish developer working in Bucharest in just a few weeks! They might be wrong - or we might just miss out - that is 64 million dollar question. Cheers Neil


POSTED BY NEIL LEWIS ON FRI 27TH JULY AT 22:53 Reply To Post
SIBIU CAPPUCCION PRICES! AND WHY ROMANIA ISN'T CHEAP

Hi All I've just paid 5.5 Lei - that's about 1.7 Euros - for a Cappuccino in Sibiu, Romania. I'm consistently paying over 40 Euros for lunch - that is a family of four - the cost of diesel is higher than in Spain - but the same (more or less) as Italy. I've been told that supermarkets (which traditionally offer big savings on local general stores) are swamped! That was my experience when I saw the Carrefour store on Saturday afternoon - in the middle of August! Also, many medium and highly wealthy Romanians go abroad to shop for clothes - there is something to this, I beleive. Either way, for a middle class way of life - Romania is not cheap. It is not particularly expensive either - but the key point is that it is not cheap. As we know, property in those cities is not cheap either. Not expensive - but not dirty / basement level cheap. And - crucially - there is a significant proportion of people who can afford it. Notably - in the past two days - I have seen 1 Maserati, 1 Aston Martin, 5 porche's, 7 Q7s, lots of BMWs of all sorts - and lots of Audis. It is a surprising country! More to follow... Cheers Neil


POSTED BY NEIL LEWIS ON SUN 29TH JULY AT 19:39 Reply To Post
BRASOV AND 80,000EURO FLATS

Hi Neil and all, I have also travelled extensively in Romania this month, namely to Bucharest - Brasov - Iasi and hope to make it to Cluj soon to try a cappucino! I asked an estate agent in Brasov how much flats were and they said 80,000 - 110,000euros for 3 beds in areas with proximity to centre and double those prices in historical central areas.Seems similar to prices in Valencia about 4 years ago. Beautiful country and lots of development going on in cities and smaller towns.Iasi is a regional capital in north-west of Romania and even though this is quite poor region the city really impressed me and apartments can be bought there for as little as 40,000euros and its a beautiful place. Hotel prices have gone up a lot in last year, and albeit cheaper than Spain, not a total bargain by any means.Most double rooms are 50euro per night minimum in any relatively decent kind of hotel.Most quality food in supermarkets is imported and thus as expensive as in Spain. I have a sneaking suspicion that secondary market prices in 2nd tier cities are going to rise steadily in next few years.Doesn't buying a 3 bed apart in Brasov now for 90,000euro seem quite cheap? I have the same intuition for this market as I had with Wroclaw in Poland and Valencia in Spain 3 years ago. Liam


POSTED BY LIAMVALENCIA ON MON 13TH AUGUST AT 18:55 Reply To Post
SECONDARY MARKET

Hi Liam, Thanks for your observations on the secondary market. I have also though that this might be a better way into the Romanian market, rather than off-plan. 90,000 euros does sound pretty cheap, If I've done my sums right then off-plan units are going for about twice the price of secondary market apartments per square metre. Confusion can arise because they are measured differently. Of course new developments are going to have more prestige, and it is a matter of estimating the premium associated with this.


POSTED BY MINSK ON TUE 14TH AUGUST AT 12:11 Reply To Post
SECONDARY MARKET

Hi Minsk, I don't know much about prices yet, but as I do more research we'll be in contact. I can only go by what I've seen in local newspapers etc. I agree with you, I'm not interested in any more off-plan deals now. I should never have gone down that road so late in Poland either. Anyway even though i got a good deal in Poland at Christmas, due to problems of off-plan process and banks, I will probably get out of Poland. I think the big gains have been had in Warsaw for time being and I can't really be bothered waiting for peanuts. Don't think capital growth this year is gonna be anything like it was over last 5 years and especially last year. Even though high gearing and all that sounds great in theory, I think in practice it ain't so easy in these Eastern European markets. My latest thoughts are that if I can release enough equity in Spain I will just buy a used flat in cash or 75% in cash. At the end of the day its high risk but I feel its the only way to go. What I'm looking for is big capital growth over 3-4 year period and then get out. I have a feeling the growth on any kind of property in key locations in major cities in Romania is going to be really substantial over next 2 years.Any ideas or opinions about buying secondary market property in Romania would be appreciated. Liam


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Budapest Political Property Potential....
Is Budapest a great property investment location?

At Property Secrets we've been cautious about Hungary and Budapest mainly due to the debt and currency risks.

So, I went to Budapest to see if the city is changing and if we should start to look at Budapest as a potential investment location.

Budapest is a beautiful city. It combines a layout that is similar to Prague (river + castle on the left bank and city on the right bank) but has the grandeur of Vienna (ie Museums and Imperial Palaces and boulvards - called The Ring in Vienna).

And, in someways, Budapest's property investment opportunity reflects these two cites too.

Budapest has a background feeling of grumpiness and river vistas - like Prague but also has the unkept/ poorly maintain feeling of malaise that Vienna has.

(As an aside - Vienna is a classic Germanic property recovery case - more so than Berlin, I believe - but there appears to be absolutely no property investor chat about Vienna whilst everyone has an opinion on Berlin. Why? Can only be the marketing, surely?)

Anyway, the key problem with Vienna is political. It has a socialist city government which likes to keep taxes high which pays for a social housing scheme which is designed to wreck the private investment market.

I'm not saying that Budapest has these same problem - but it does have a different political problem which is key to unlocking its property investment potential.

That is, Budapest and Hungary, suffer from high taxes (including a tax on a companies INCOME - not just profit) as well as income tax upto 36% (it reaches 50% in Austria). Either way, this is a very high tax rate compared to its neighbours (Slovakia 19% and Romania 16%).

These tax structures are complex and encourage money to stay in the black market (this is how companies reduce their revenues and therefore taxes).

The good news, tho', is that the current Hungarian government is on a path of reform.

Government debt was 9% of GDP in Jan 07 and is due to fall to 6% of GDP by the end of Dec 07. (Note, Euro entry requires debt as a % of GDP to be less than 3%). Hence, very good progress is being made - but a lot more remains to be done.

There is also an intention to simplify the taxes - but the ability of the government to reduce taxes is hampered by high levels of debt.

Equally, reform (and reduction of government spending) is politically risky. Currently the government is a coalition, so the chances of collapse of this round of reform is high.

The compulsion to reform will be driven by missing out on the economic growth of its neighbours and hence the more it suffers short term - perversely - the more likely is long term reform.

Therefore, Budapest has the arcitecture to be a stunningly beautiful city. This has the ability to draw the head offices of corporations and the trendy creative people with it.

However, Budapest is a recovery play - it is for the first time on the path of reform - the currency has recovered and risk of a currency collapse has receeded.

In many ways, Hungary can't help but be successful - 3 neighbours are booming like mad - Romania, Poland, Slovakia along with good growth in Austria and Slovenia - so in many ways it can't help but grow.

The risk is that this easy 'gifted' growth might dampen the need for reform.

In Autumn of last year people were on the streets protesting at the governments admission of lying about the economy. This appears to have compelled the coalition to pool their efforts to agree a reform package.

But will it last? Will the government - this one or the next one - be able to carry out reforms without the carrot of EU entry (this is how the other countries did it)?

On this issue... the likelihood of tax and fiscal reform ... the decision to invest in Budapest should be made.

It is possible that Hungary will simply deliver watered down reforms - like those in Germany - or it might genuinely make itself competitive with its low tax neighbours.

Hungary and Budapest have relatively high productivity rates. The city is cosmopolitan and big - 2 million - twice the size of Prague.

It lies at the centre of Central and South Eastern Europe. Physically, it is the natural place for logistics and big box manufactures (this is why Phillips is here - and why Hungary is attracting Asian electronics companies (TV's come in big boxes these days).

But, the reforms are costing jobs - doctors, nurses and the health care system are being reduced. (You can imagine how unpopular this makes them). Government jobs are being lost too.

This must have an impact on the economy as it pulls jobs out of the economy.

At the moment, this will be masked by growth in other areas and a moderate economic GDP growth.

The question remains - whilst the government can probably get debt down to 6% of GDP by the end of 07 - can it get debit below 3%?

If it can then the reforms will have been accepted and Euro entry becomes a real possiblity (with a 50% reduction in interet rates). In this scenario property investors would reap great rewards.

But, it might not happen at all, it might be delayed or it might simply take much longer.

On that, you have to rely on the ability of the current political leadership to carry through the reforms.

Based on a coalition government this is a big risk.

But on the evidence so far, it might be a risk worth taking.

Cheers
Neil

With full tax and fiscal reforms - Budapest could be a 200% candidate for property price growth - but I think the most likely outcome is moderate reforms are delivered / implemented. This would drop Budapest out of the 200% club.

However, if you like Berlin (ie recovery plays) then perhaps Budapest is a better alternative - on the assumption that you are willing to wait? So, I'm not putting Budapest in my 200% club - not yet anyway - but I'll put it near the top of a list of recovery plays?

Agree or disagree?

ps. I haven't considered that there may be over supply of new build to the north and south of Budapest. Whilst this may or may not be true (opinion anyone?) I don't think this would stop you investing in Budapest. It would simply guide you away from big developments on the city fringe and direct you to redevelopment of city fringe blocks.
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WAIT AND SEE ON HUNGARY'S RISKS AND UNCERTAINTIES

NeilIt's useful to read the views of a dispassionate expert on the ground in Budapest. And I think you're dead right on Hungary.The government has clearly made good progress in turning the dire economic state around - and impressed the EU along the way. It's also impressed currency investors, as you noted.But, the situation was so desperate last year (as reflected in the currency in the first three quarters of the year), that any sign that the government was tackling the country's economic woes was bound to drive up confidence. I'd say that currency strength in an emerging economy like Hungary's can be a very fickle indicator of economic strength - or weakness.The fact remains that there is a long, long way to go, AND the efforts needed - which consist of very tough political decisions - to shrink that deficit - still the highest in Europe - become increasingly harder. The really big challenges for Hungary lie ahead - not behind. It still needs to tackle cuts and efficiencies in the politically hyper-sensitive areas of health, pensions and state bureaucracy.The economy hasn't turned the corner yet and, I agree with you, that this means we can't yet see the strong likelihood of the kind of fast economic growth and the consequent high cap growth in the property market that's needed to join the 200% club.The latest EU report on Hungary's progress provided some useful insight on the current state of play.In a generally upbeat report, which praised Hungary's efforts, the EU monetary affairs commissioner, Joaquin Almunia, added a cautionary message, saying that the country's finances were still 'fragile' and the 2009 deadline for coming into line with the EU's stability pact's 3% of GDP limit on fiscal deficit was subject to 'risks and uncertainties'. That's EU speak for 'the jury's still out.'Tellingly, Almunia added that the EU would continue to monitor Hungary closely, especially in the light of its 'past record' of being economical with the truth about the state of its finances. The government did after all lie for years to its people and the EU.The bottom line is - maybe Budapest will turn out to be a winner, but the prospects are far from clear yet. So, why should an investor take the risk when you look at the alternatives?CheersRobin


POSTED BY ROBIN BOWMAN ON FRI 27TH JULY AT 10:11 Reply To Post
BAD NEWS FOR HUNGARY

Guys Well, it seems the summer squeeze on credit is putting the reforms in Hungary at risk. See this very down beat review by the EIU http: / /www .economist .com /daily /news /displaystory .cfm?story _id=9675615 "Hungary, however, is in the midst of an austerity drive that has nearly brought the economy to a standstill. In a region where first-quarter GDP growth averaged around 7%, Hungary’s economy grew by just 2.7%. The flash estimate for the second quarter, at just 1.4% year on year, is even more alarming. In this context, the maintenance of relatively high interest rates at their current level is the last thing the economy needs. Still, this remains a serious risk." So, there is a substantial risk that Hungary's reforms won't bite before the markets do. This doesn't destroy the long term potential of beautiful Budapest. But it does mean it is a wait and see - ie. wait until there is a decent opportunity to buy and any blood spilling is over - and then come into the market on a value basis. Bad news for those already invested - but a potential candidate for investors in 1 to 2 years time? Cheers Neil


POSTED BY NEIL LEWIS ON WED 22ND AUGUST AT 15:13 Reply To Post
HUNGARY

I like this Idea ..... a running commentary on each country!! Forum threads for all of the potential markets. I agree with everything your man on the ground has to say, however I am more upbeat about it. The poor growth figures are just a blip, as for the existing coalition - if It fails, I do not see it as necessarily a bad thing. If Fidesz takes the reins of power they will continue with asterity measures but will also cut taxes and thus I see that the country will become more competitive. The drive to the EMU will not be slowed, the current government has started down this route - no going back, no future government would DARE to reverse the progress. Thats how I see it anyway.


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Varna – leafy, prosperous and leap frogging


In my earlier blog on Constanta, the major Romanian container port on the Black Sea (with a thriving ‘local based’ tourist resort on its door step) I stressed the fact that I believe that the true property investment opportunity is always in the nearby city and never on the coast…

… unless you happen to be a local land owner or developer…

However, my experience of the Spanish coast and watching investors catch a cold by buying holiday homes dressed up as investments, led me to write why I believe the real money is to be made in the local city – which you can read by clicking here.

So, a part of my reason for visiting Varna was to see if my experience of Spain was going to repeat on the Bulgarian coast and also to see if Varna represented a model of how Constanta might become, as well as potentially offering investment opportunities of its own.

I also wanted to visit the Black Sea coast to see if our dire warnings on the likely fall in holiday property prices was likely to happen.

Well, the first thing I can report is that whilst property is being sold to Brits up and down the coast, there was no evidence of anyone claiming the property to be an ‘investment’.

This by itself is encouraging, because if the purpose of buying a Bulgarian holiday home is to own a cheap summer holiday home (and not with the expectation of making money) then it is unlikely that the holiday home buyers will be disappointed.

The risk is that as an investment the holiday homes simply will not pay off.







What I saw was extensive selling of property – but not too much buying. I saw a large number of new blocks in Golden Sands that have now been completed and a large number of for sale signs litter the blocks. Many of the for sale signs appear to have been erected by developers and agents.

At the same time, the national tourist board is expecting a large number of Bulgarian hotels to go bust – essentially, any hotel outside a major resort that is not able to significantly reduce its rack rates will not attract sufficient holiday makers.

This actually highlights the real problem with the Black Sea coast – from the investment angle – and that is that it is just a 3 to 4 month season and in some locations it is near impossible to rent out an apartment.

The winter can be very cold and the wind can be bitter (slightly to the north the sea has been known to freeze over – which gives you an idea of the kind of winter climate in this area).

Equally, the resorts to the south of Varna – Sunny Beach especially – has seen huge amounts of development and in fact too much over-development.



The local view is that resorts to the north of Varna will ride out the storm better because fewer holiday apartments have been built because the land is hilly with cliffs – and this significantly restricts construction.

Perhaps the worst ‘holiday investments’ of all will be large new developments inland.

However, as I said before, if Brits and Irish are buying these as summer holiday homes – then they will not be disappointed and will have no reason to sell at cut down prices.

The risk is that some buyers are expecting to make a profit and these people will face – at best - a long term hold of an under performing asset and at worse they’ll sell in a hurry at cut down prices and lose money.

We’ve covered the Bulgarian coast and its likely problems here if you want to read more.

However, my main interest was in Varna.

Yes, the town is prosperous. It has many beautiful buildings in the centre and is a leafy city with an air of confidence.

It also has a booming population – which is thought to be around 500.000 people which may swell in the summer season to (possibly) 1m.

The key though, is that until recently, the population was thought to be slightly about 300.000 – which placed it as Bulgaria’s 3rd biggest city.

However, the way in which city populations are counted (ie those people who register their permanent address in the city) has become a less and less reliable measure of actual population.

Why?

Every Bulgarian citizen carries an ID card – just as I carry a Spanish ID card because I am a permanent resident in Spain.

However, because of the relaxation of control and also the right to travel in the EU, the need or urgency to re-register your ID card when ever you move to a city is sharply reduced.

For instance, students on three year courses do not bother to re-register their address in their student town – but maintain their address at their parent’s home.

Equally, in Varna, many students stay on in the city after finishing their studies. Whether they take a permanent or temporary job doesn’t really matter – because most 1st jobs outside university are pretty temporary anyway (ie you either decide you don’t like the work, decide to study some more or get promoted and move to another location).

So, this habit of not re-registering continues.

And, as this habit expands and the population becomes more mobile (in search of better jobs, better places to live etc) so the official population statistics become less reliable.

Hence, based on the broad pedestrian boulevards of Varna and the teeming night life on the city beach, the town was full when I visited it.

Varna has also clearly benefited from a 4 to 5 year boom in the nearby coastal regions which, whilst foreigner investors may catch a cold or two, has clearly left wealth and prosperity with the Varna based land owners and property developers.

Now, it is pretty clear to me that these newly wealthy are spending their money on homes in Varna and buying new cars from some of the fancy show rooms on the edge of town.

Thus, Varna now has a thriving service sector and the city centre renovation is well underway.

It is reasonable to think that Varna will continue to grow and so will offer great opportunities for investors. But remember I am talking about the city of Varna – not the coastal region!

I also heard that the local mayor has announced a two year construction ban in Varna to allow the infrastructure developments to catch up!

Whether this is a sign of overdevelopment, an indication that city property isn’t selling or a sign that development laws and rules have been flouted – or all three – I don’t know.

However, such a temporary ban can only tighten supply of property – and if the new population numbers are true, then this will drive up city prices.

Varna’s population growth also makes it the clear second city in Bulgaria and propels it ahead of Plovdiv (which is so close to Sofia that it is losing population to the high salaries of Sofia).

Varna’s coastal appeal also means it has clear benefits (lifestyle etc…) over Sofia, but I would expect that its salaries will only be marginally less than those in Sofia and so, its property prices will be marginally less too.





Hence, Varna has now leap frogged Plovdiv into Bulgaria's second city and from here its future looks prosperous.

Unfortunately, I forgot to sip a cappuccino in the pedestrianised centre – so I can’t make the coffee comparisons (see previous blog - wake up and smell the coffee) – but I’m sure we can find someone willing to carry out this onerous task?

Cheers
Neil

Ps. Next I’m off to Sofia to see if the property investment environment is ripe or if the 15% foreign commission agents have ruined the market for real investors…
POSTED BY NEIL LEWIS ON WED 8TH AUGUST AT 06:30 GMT
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Munich Expo, investment strategies and shameless self promotion...
Hi Everyone

Just to let you know that next week I'll be attending Munich Expo with our Marketing and Editorial Directors, and we'll be writing blogs direct to this blog during the first 3 days of next week.

We expect to cover the usual suspects of
Hungary
Germany
Bulgaria
Romania

... and may be a few more.

Either way, whilst this show is predominantly about commercial property, it is always a useful test for what is happening in the residential sector.

For instance, if commercial investors are going heavily into logistics and retail - then they expect a consumer boom and an increase in coffee stores!

This is a great early warning system for more residential property price growth as rapid retail spending power kills the argument that if everyone earns 350 Euros per month, how can they afford property?

I also like to use these events to test our investment strategies. (If you want to get the latest on our view on how to invest (and where to invest) please check out the newly publishing book "Where in the World to Invest.... to make a fortune...')

It was sitting in one of these seminars a year ago that convinced me that investing in Berlin was not an exciting prospect.

It was also at a similar event that I realised that holiday investments are a bad idea, because the land speculators have already made all the money. You just have to listen to them talk to realise this.

But, what these commercial guys don't seem to get is that residential is a fabulous investment vehicle - but it is ignored by the big investors because they want investments of at least 5m Euros in one go!

Anyway, the book goes into the detail of how we pick our locations and why.

Importantly, as I told an investor earlier this week, the reason we are investing in Romania (for example) is not because I have a grandmother who lives there (yes, this is one of the prime reasons a typical sales agent will set up shop) but because we believe the macro economic case stacks up.

And, if the macro economic case stacks up, then I can ignore short term issues (such as interest rates) and invest for the long term...

... and if I invest for the long term I will may way more money than if I flip my properties and run!

So, picking the right location and entering the market right is the absolute key to success. And we've done our best to explain how and why we do what we do.... Click here to read more...

And whilst I'm on the subject, let me continue the shameless self promotion and invite you to a damn good debate about property on Nov 17th in London.

I'll be there all day and giving some of the key note speeches. But, most of all, the day is modelled on a highly interactive conference structure.

Why? Because, I don't know about you, but I am absolutely bored to death of being lectured too by sales guys dressed up as consultants?

The last resi show I attended in London was full of these sorts of people and it ruins the value of the day for me.

Instead, we are creating a real debate with real people. (I hope anyone who has enjoyed these blogs or wants to challenge me on any issues (!?!) will come along).

More than anything, I really want this to become an opportunity for us to debate and explore.

And, I know there are many people out there who will know more about locations or property than I ever will and I want to invite you to come and share that knowledge.

... and yes, I do expect to learn something as a result of presenting and speaking and taking questions....

I often find the best insights or 'ah ha!' moments come about in live (okay, or online) interactions and that is what we'll be hoping to deliver.

If you are interested please check out our conference's promotional page here...

That's it. I'm done with the shameless self promotion... now to get read for Munich Expo and don't forget to check in early next week to see what we've got to say!

Cheers
Neil
POSTED BY NEIL LEWIS ON WED 3RD OCTOBER AT 11:47 GMT
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Berlin property - cheap hmmm?
Aparently at the recent property investor show there was a large crowd at any stand offering Berlin property.

As Property Secrets members know, I am very skeptical of Berlin as an investment location and if you can persuade me to invest in Germany I would always choose Munich (or Stuttgart or possibly Hamburg, or even Dresden) but not Berlin.

How come the difference?

First off, we have published a Decision Maker guide to Berlin ... click here to access it... for a 15 page review of this city.

However, the argument seems to always come down to this

1. Berlin property is 'cheap' by which people want to imply 'under valued'
2. The argument goes that it is cheap in comparison to London or even Warsaw (both of which demonstrate rapid economic growth, huge unmet demand for property and migration into the city and job creation)
3. Despite Berlin not showing any of these attributes (Munich for instance has all of them to some degree...) Berlin is regarded under valued.

My argument is that Berlin is not under valued - nor is it over valued.

My argument is that Berlin is FAIRLY VALUED - in that for the medium term prospects for property price growth, it is priced right.

Therefore, investors have a twisted notion that property in no to low-growth Berlin is somehow a safer investment than other capital's who are demonstrating massive economic growth and property demand.

The argument for 'cheap' investments is usually based on a notion of the wheels coming off the world economy and that this event will somehow turn Berlin from a sluggish bit of a basket case capital into a dynamic driver of economic growth.

I believe this is nuts.

If the wheels fall off the world economy Berlin will go down the toilet faster than any other capital as in times of trouble there is usually a flight to quality and Berlin doesn't have the quality factor.

If you look more closely you will see that Germans are voting with their feet and wallets - they are moving to key growth cities (mainly in the south) and you can now buy (and sell) a villa in central Munich for €6m.

This recent report in the FT summarised the problem in a North South divide in which Berlin is part of the poor / declining North - while Dresden (also part of old East Germany) is performing significantly better - and is based in the southern part of East Germany.

I do accept that there is a general argument for Germany property - but I don't understand investor's obsession with Berlin.

In my book, smart investors - who are determined to over come the taxes and bureacracy of German property - should be looking south - not north - and that this does not include Berlin.

Lastly, I've heard that the big funds buying social housing by the 000s have started to off load their stock in Berlin (due to poor returns). I just hope they are not targetting unfortunate investors.

Cheers
Neil

ps. I'll be at Munich expo in October again - and I'll report back on this some more

pps. If you are still determined to look at Berlin - how about Potsdam?
"Potsdam: The pocket-sized capital of Brandenburg has benefited from its proximity to the federal capital. Its notably more business-friendly bureaucracy has attracted some of Berlin’s employers and its wealthiest residents. It has lively high-tech and media sectors and is home to the country’s oldest film studios at Babelsberg, which rose back from their ashes after German reunification." From the FT article quoted above...

ppps. If you really want to know what Property Secrets thinks of Germany as a whole - check out the Germany Market Profile
POSTED BY NEIL LEWIS ON THU 27TH SEPTEMBER AT 08:55 GMT
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BERLIN PROPERTY - CHEAP HMMM?

Neil I think you're absolutely right on Berlin. I also think that this whole question of 'cheap', 'under-valued', 'over-valued', etc is a red herring, or, more accurately, a question of semantics. What people seem to mean when they say 'cheap' is that they believe prices will rise; when somewhere is 'over-valued' prices will fall. I think it's better to talk about 'value', personally. The price something is selling at is market value. Full stop. The only thing that matters is what direction is a market headed (and, as Simon makes the point, 'when' will it head in that direction) - up or down. And, I agree with you 100%: if there is a lasting squeeze, slowdown or deterioration in confidence, Berlin will be among the first markets to tank. So, where's the value in that! cheers


POSTED BY ROBIN ON THU 27TH SEPTEMBER AT 15:29 Reply To Post
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i also fully agree with your comments, neil, and thanks for the useful FT link. given a lot of investors want some germany in their portfolio, how about PS finding us a development in munich? wouldn't want you have to spend all your time in east europe and yorkshire.


POSTED BY DAN W ON THU 27TH SEPTEMBER AT 16:48 Reply To Post
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For what it's worth I agree too! Not often you get 3 posts in a row in agreement on this forum! Recent stats suggest prices have actually edged off a little in Berlin and no signs of change. Huw


POSTED BY HUW ON THU 27TH SEPTEMBER AT 18:23 Reply To Post
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Thank you for an interesting and thoughtful post. In value terms my current portfolio is split evenly between Berlin and Prague. I agree with a lot of the article although not all, and I think there are some excellent points and some missed points. If I had resources to invest further I would currently choose the Czech Rep, or if looking for newer markets Rumania or the Slovak Rep. I wouldn't be looking further in Berlin currently However I would like to point out 1. Berlin is a city which is difficult to compare with any other. Compared to London , Paris or Frankfurt it is very spread out and very green, it is even difficult to define a centre to it. The centre could be the K'damm (if you are a west Berliner thinking pre-unifcation mode), Alexanderplatz (East Berliners) or the Brandenburg Gate/PotsdammerPlatz/Friedrichstrasse which are regaining their pre-eminent central role post unification. Although comparisons are made with London in terms of per sq m price being something like 10-20% of London prices, it is difficult to state that you are comparing like with like because Berlin is no way the financial centre of Germany (more like Frankfurt) 2. The market within Berlin itself is probably as diverse as the whole of Germany itself. Per sq m prices can vary much within even 100-200m or the next street, and that can make determining value quite difficult. Demographics are enormously varying within Berlin, as well as social structure, housing etc. Berlin has a young population which can be construed as favourable demographically and some parts of the city are uniquely favoured from that angle, especially the leafy and popular Prenzlauer Berg and the up and coming suburb of Friedrichschein. They, both former eastern areas are in my opinion the most favourable areas to invest in with better yields and demographics than Charlottenberg close to the K'damm. Interestingly, it seems that it is often the former eastern areas rather than western areas which are more desirable areas to live in and invest in eg prenzlaur Berg is better than Wedding, Treptow is better than Neukolln and arguably Mitte and Friedrichschein are better than Charlottenbug and Kreuzburg- Apart from Potsdam there are amost no sizeable towns within easy commuting distance of Berlin, so there is no high volume commuting into the city itself like there is in London 3. De-regulation of the labour market within the EU will allow Polish workers to compete for work within 3-4 years which could dramatically improve investment prospects- Poland is only 1hr away from Berlin. 4. Property is incredibly affordable in Berlin wrt CEE and the UK ! It will take time and a shift in attitudes but while in CEE and the UK the average property is typically costing 6 years salary in Berlin it is close to 2 years salary! I know other factors are at work here such as equity in current housing which people in the UK and CEE tend to have and Germans tend not to have, but that can give an idea of the scope for growth. Berlin (or indeed Germany)can be likened to a juggernaut while the CEE countries are more like a Mercedes transit van, more nifty and adept. I would be inclined to invest in Berlin carefully, or maybe even better some parts of Germany for the retirement pot while other parts of CEE will undoubtably achieve faster growth over a shorter time span. Although the market is a little overhyped amongst foreign buyers, it certainly isnt going to tank (it's actually tanked over most of the last 10-12 years already!) but it's probably moved up as much as it is going to for now. There is limited new build. After all we in the UK thought all the foreign property buyers in London were crazy in the early 1990s, but per sq m Berlin prices are not hugely in excess of prices in surrounding areas. There is some "quality " factor in Berlin, although it is not in the same league as London. possibly Prague and Paris too.


POSTED BY CHARLES ON SUN 30TH SEPTEMBER AT 00:39 Reply To Post
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Hi Charles U raise a few sensible points on why Berlin is attractive in terms of quality of life, the neighbourhoods, the leafy suburbs and its low prices comapred to the Uk. Thats fair enough but those arguments arent what might make price levels in Berlin take off. Future investments, a strong job market and a tight supply are the main reason that would make prices embark on a sustainable growth path. None of those is happening at the moment and unlikely to happen 5 years down the line. You've also raised the pt of the job market being open to eastern europeans by 2011. That is true but having spoken to quite a few EEs, most of them would rather head west and south of the country where there is much better pay and more job opportunities. Which brings me to the pt that if anyone is itching to invest in Germany, they might as well invest in the cities most likely to first benefit from any future price growth. Berlin is certainly not one of them IMO. I do agree with u however that germany in general is a good hold in a long term strategy, provided one gets a good LTV funding. C.


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