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What the 'Big Money' Thinks....and what it means to property investors

King Sturge's March report "European Property Investors & Bankers Survey 2008' paints an interesting view of the credit crunch, its consequences and, most interestingly, where banking and commercial property investors' money is and will be going.

OK, it's commercial property investment, but, as we've always said - where the big money goes, so follows residential property demand.

The key is that this survey and those like it, tracks where the capital flows are heading, which means the same as where the growth will be in this region.

The survey, carried out in January and February of this year, was of 54 property investors and bankers, who control funds worth €130billion and €265billion respectively.

The separates the views of bankers and investors, which show some variance.
What is clear, though, is that there is a fairly optimistic consensus on interest rates this year and on a recovery in commercial property markets.

Projected change in short term bank interest rates in 2008 compared to 2007
About 90% of investors think the current collapse in capital values (of commercial property) will have ended by early 2009, and 70% of bankers agree.

This would seem to be pretty much this the same as forecasting the end of the credit crunch, or at least its bottom.

On interest rates -

A cut by 25 basis points or more

42% of bankers think Euro zone interest rates will fall by 25 basis points or more this year and 30% of investors. If the majority are righ, that means a strong euro throughout 2008.

64% of bankers think the Bank of England will cut by 25 points or more, but only 35% of investors.

On the US, 67% of bankers and 50% of investors believe rates will fall by another 25 basis points or more.

So, a disparity of views there.

Less so on where the best opportunities will be in Europe.

So where will be the best opportunities in Europe?

The study finds that investoirs and bankers think the UK and Germany offer the best returns (in the UK's case, also potentiall the worst) .

So, as the survey poses the question - have some parts of the UK already reached a value floor from which growth will develop? And, by extension, will residential follow suit?

One other feature that stands out - new central and eastern EU countries are where bankers and investors have the highest confidence about economic growth in 2008 - by far!

And, as the survey says - 'It is well known that property returns correlate well with economic growth.'

 

POSTED BY ROBIN BOWMAN ON WED 9TH APRIL AT 11:13 GMT
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Wealth check up - Banking giant reveals the state of household wealth in CEE - AND the real prospects for property investment

Italian banking giant UniCredit carries out some of the best and most in-depth research into CEE markets in the business.

And it's not surprising - 22% of the bank's €13 billion of revenue now comes from CEE markets.

So it's always worth listening to the bank's analyst briefings, one of which they gave in London the other day.

The main thrust of its report was that while its investment bank wing was being hurt by the US subprime fallout the rising shining star was still central and Eastern Europe where the Italian bank plans to open 502 new branches this year.

Chief Executive Officer Alessandro Profumo said growth had been ``healthy growth'' at its central and eastern European businesses.

Loan growth would probably rise 28% this year, he said and the region offered 'exceptional opportunities.'


Interesting in itself, but even more so are some of the numbers from the bank's recent report into the financial wealth of CEE households 2007 - 2009.

This provides a great insight into the real investment potential of this region unobscured by the credit crunch fallout that seems to overshadow everything right now.


And, to be clear, when it refers to CEE countries, it's talking about Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia and Turkey.

Financial wealth of CEE households topped €718 billion in 2007 'thanks to strong economic growth and improved labour market conditions and given limited impact so far from the US sub-prime crisis.

'In the years to come, good economic prospects will continue to support the accumulation of financial wealth, although with some lowering in its dynamic.

'The growth of financial wealth will continue to greatly exceed that of the real economy averaging 14% a year in 2008-2009 to reach 64% of GDP by 2009.'

What is significant here is not so much the amount or the pace, but both of these relative to Western Europe. The gap is still big and the pace of growth very rapid indeed.

At the end of 2006 CEE household financial wealth reached almost €600 billionn (up by 15 % year on year), and posting double-digit growth for the third year in a row.

Although CEE wealth and euro area wealth are converging very quickly, there is still a significant gap.

In 2006, household financial wealth over GDP equalled 56 % in CEE, versus 205 % in the euro area (in CEE, the same ratio was 54 % in 2005 and 43 % in 2000).

This then is a measure of huge potential and also very fast growth of CEE spending (and investing) power.

And what of the credit crunch? We've heard a lot about how CEE banks are relatively immune as they lend based on deposits, but the fact is that in a modern banking system no bank can isolate itself in this way - especially when so much debt in CEE is foreign denominated, making it vulnerable to external interest rates and currency volatility.

Here's what UniCredit says on the matter: 'The recent "credit crunch" has raised fears that house- hold debt might be overstretched in some countries and that the future growth of household wealth may be unsustainable.

'While financial markets are typically subject to cyclical swings and excesses, we believe there is a good basis for continued sustainable growth in the medium term.'

Here's a summary:

  • Strong economic growth and quickly developing financial markets are driving the accumulation of financial wealth
  • High levels of consumption and high demand for new houses and renovation continue to spur the growth of the level of household debt at a higher level than that of financial assets, resulting in the stabilisation of net financial wealth relative to GDP
  • Households are however continuing to save, increasingly shifting towards the real estate market

'Household debt still appears to be relatively low compared to GDP, reaching 18 % in 2006 compared to 55 % observed in the euro area, although these levels are converging at a fast pace.

The credit boom was connected to the household sector's desire to acquire durable goods and housing and to the improved access to the credit market. Quickly developing real estate markets also contributed to an increase in the household sector's willingness to borrow.'

And here are the summaries of some key CEE countries' prospects:

Bulgaria

Despite a rapid surge in debt in H1 2007, the household sector reconfirmed its position as a net saver.

Deceleration in the pace of household debt accumulation will keep net wealth as a share of GDP on an upward trend in the next few years to reach 30 % of GDP in 2009.

The continued rapid development in mortgage financing and the high propensity to invest in real estate assets will continue to support a further increase in corrected net wealth, expected to reach 44 % of GDP in 2009 from 37 % in 2007.


Czech Republic

The financial assets of Czech households grew by over 13% yoy in the first six months of 2007. The trends within the sector changed a bit, with investment now more evenly distributed in relative terms between bank deposits and other forms of savings.

Household liabilities drastically increased by about 30% yoy in the first six months of 2007. The lion's share of growth was again due to mortgages.

Overall, we still anticipate double-digit growth rates in both mortgages and consumer loans in the next few years, despite some slight easing in the overall pace of expansion in total liabilities compared to the recent past.

Driven by rapidly expanding financial liabilities, the net wealth to GDP ratio of Czech households is expected to decrease further accompanied by a stable trend in the corrected net wealth to GDP ratio due to the high demand for housing investment.

Poland

Remarkable acceleration in the accumulation of wealth in 2006 and 2007 was driven by rebounding economic activity and a rapid increase in household income.

Despite vigorous growth in household debt stimulated by relatively low interest rates, net financial wealth as a share of GDP increased significantly, reaching 44 % in 2006, and will exceed 47 % in 2007.

Although the rate of growth is decelerating overall, the fast convergence of income levels is expected to keep the accumulation of net financial wealth
on an upward trend, reaching 49 % of GDP in 2009.

The recent vitality in household wealth has been positively influenced by a rapid increase in asset prices. So far, prices have been only marginally impacted by the recent turbulence on the international markets.

Downward adjustments in equity prices next year and a high level of consumption
are expected to limit financial asset growth to around 15 % in the forthcoming period.

Sustained growth is expected to continue in household debt, mainly driven by the continuing strong demand for housing investments.

Improving financial conditions for low-income households will provide further stimulus, especially in the personal loan segment.

Romania

The accumulation of household financial wealth further accelerated in 2007, reaching 26 % of GDP, driven by a strong upsurge in household bank deposits.

This increase has been stimulated by improving real returns and the very dynamic performance of the stock market.

The stock market has been only marginally impacted by the recent turmoil on the international markets.

Despite the sustained accumulation of financial wealth, the high demand for both consumer and mortgage loans will cause a further decrease in net wealth over GDP from 11 % in 2006 to 10 % in 2007, while corrected
net wealth is expected to stabilize around 13 % of GDP.

Overall, these developments confirm that Romanian households are generally reluctant to save, despite some slight improvements anticipated in the years to come.

Slovakia

In the first half of 2007, the accumulation of financial assets remained on a stable upward trend driven by strong economic performance and increasing real wages.

Fast increase of household debt driven by falling interest rates that increased the household sector's access to the credit market and its demand for loans for both consumer goods and real estate investments.

In the forthcoming period, the ratio of net wealth to GDP is expected to remain fairly stable around 36 %, given the willingness of households to maintain a high consumption level and to direct their savings towards the real estate market.

Low interest rates will probably gradually slow down the growth of bank deposits. On the liabilities side, mortgages and consumer loans will remain the main driving forces.

POSTED BY ROBIN BOWMAN ON THU 3RD APRIL AT 14:19 GMT
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Florida bites back! Signs of things to come? And perhaps a sense of perspective....

Here perhaps is some real perspective on the current state of the property market in the US and - if you follow one logical line of argument - also by extension the UK property market.

The Wall Street Journal is currently featuring a piece about how bargain hunters in the States are starting to circle in some of the areas most badly hit by foreclosures.

Deals are there to be done and some are spectacular - 40% and more off asking prices.

And, while some buyers are hanging back in anticipation of even more mouth-watering deals, it seems many buyers simply can't resist the kind of prices on offer. There is evidence of bidding wars over distressed properties and one agent describes how the showings they conducted tripled in February over the same time last year.

Near the bottom?

So, does this indicate that we are near or are nearing the bottom in the US, simply because the bottom fishers are becoming active? Could be.

Now there's no doubt that the US property market has been hit far worse than the UK's - so far.

Not so, in Spain's case, however, where the property market is currently being hammered on a US scale. The Spanish press is talking of falls in home purchases on the secondary market of about 35%. Total lending to home-buyers fell almost 28 per cent to €13.4bn. Anyone looking at the costas is going to find a lot of choice. No evidence of bargain hunters gathering there yet. But they surely will at some point?

In terms of the UK market, we've seen lots of evidence of some minor price falls, mortgage lending falling and even the BoE's Mr King has said he will be 'surprised' if real UK property prices are much higher in a few years' time than they are now.

Putting aside our faith in Mr King, few would disagree with that, surely. He added that such an adjustment in real prices would be a good thing - surely few would disgree with that either. There is no suggestion though that the medium to long term outlook is anything but positive.

So, if we believe the UK market will go where first the US and now Spain are going (two markets like the UK that have seen huge property price growth fuelled by cheap credit), then we may, in the US at least, see some glimmer of perspective about the so-called 'meltdown' we keep hearing about.

Why?

Because what really leaps out of the WSJ piece are the numbers.

Meltdown

It's often the case that the extreme pockets of the market are where the focus ends up - the huge price falls. These are what lead to talk of a 'meltdown'.

But when you look behind the rhetoric, things are a little less dramatic. The most distressed state is Florida - home to THE most distressed area in the US in terms of property price falls - the Cape Coral-Fort Myers metro area in southwest Florida, according to RealtyTrac of Irvine, California.

This is THE worst place in the whole, vast US property market, with a record 3,739 properties in some stage of foreclosure, or one in 84 households - that's nearly seven times the national average.

Average sale prices for family homes in Lee County, which encompasses Fort Myers and Cape, are down 17%.

That's bad, but remember this is THE worst. So, is this the meltdown we've been hearing about?

And the rate of price fall across the nation, in which the property market is regularly described as being in freefall? An 8% fall.

When you factor in all those huge discounted deals of 40% and 50% and suchlike are wrapped up in that figure of 8% overall, this starts to put matters in perspective, surely?

If this is a meltdown, it's not as we know it!


What is also very significant is that once the lending blockage starts to ease - as it will at some point this year - we are going to see a huge amount of hoarded money (hoarded by banks) aimed at investment through credit lines, and a lot of this is almost certainly going to head into property markets that look like they offer real bargains.

Where to invest?

Where else will it go? 8% down - even 17% - compared to what equities have done in the last few years is reassuring.

Now, while it may not be time to dip a toe back in the water of the UK market yet, because things will almost certainly get worse before they start to get better, maybe, that worse isn't really going to be so bad after all - even if it is still likely we won't see much growth in the UK for the next two to three years.

So maybe now - while sentiment is depressed and yet fundamentals are basically the same as previously - is the time to look at those markets that will really benefit from the pick up in confidence?

Those economies with huge potential for growth and which have previously attracted huge amounts of FDI. Which for any smart property investor brings us back to selected markets in central and Eastern Europe...surely!

POSTED BY ROBIN BOWMAN ON MON 31ST MARCH AT 21:41 GMT
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FLORIDA BITES BACK! SIGNS OF THINGS TO COME? AND PERHAPS A SENSE OF PERSPECTIVE....

Hi Robin

People are starting to look at the Florida market as a golden opportunity now with prices looking so cheap and the weak dollar.

In my view Florida will always be a good location. Its demographics are good with around 3,000 people moving to the state each day (from memory so open to corrections!), tourism industry continues to do well etc.

Some issues I would raise with Florida and more experienced investors in the market might be able to comment on this:
Buying in the right area for rentals – I would imagine property a lot of investors will be looking at will be dependent on the tourist market thus very important to get location right, in terms of areas that permit holiday lets and in particular short term lets. Running costs and county taxes are high I believe so important to get the rental right.

In my opinion, it might be time to start looking but I wouldn’t be in any hurry yet. After so much capital growth and price inflation in the US and particularly Florida, there is probably more depreciation to come yet and along with that more foreclosures.

Anyone looking at getting into the US market now?

Noreen


POSTED BY NOREEN LUCEY ON TUE 1ST APRIL AT 13:00 Reply To Post
RE: FLORIDA BITES BACK! SIGNS OF THINGS TO COME? AND PERHAPS A SENSE OF PERSPECTIVE....

I think the time will be right very soon, if not already, to look at places like Florida. Yes the mrket may not have botomed out just yet but when it does, say in 6 months time it will be too late as the signals will be obvious to everyone. Better to get in just before the bottom and be ready for the rebound.

Noreen you're absolutely right in what you say. I nearly bought 18 months ago but was put off by the bubble and the high property taxes but I think I'd put up with the latter now. It's just a question of the time to do the research.

I'm going to take a look at North Carolina when I go out there in June as that was quite a booming area and may throw up some bargains but I do think the right property in the right area of Florida will be a good bet now.

One final thought - I wonder how many of the forclosures are real "sub-prime" - wooden roadside shacks and/or mobile homes. I suspect quite a lot.
Huw


POSTED BY HUW ON TUE 1ST APRIL AT 22:44 Reply To Post
RE: FLORIDA BITES BACK! SIGNS OF THINGS TO COME? AND PERHAPS A SENSE OF PERSPECTIVE....

One thing to keep in mind on the US economic situation, while we have seen the credit crunch unfold the effect on the wider economy has yet to be fully felt. If this effect results in widespread job losses (likely at some stage) then further property market declines will follow. Such declines need not be restricted purely to sub-prime.


POSTED BY GEORGEH ON WED 2ND APRIL AT 08:17 Reply To Post
RE: FLORIDA BITES BACK! SIGNS OF THINGS TO COME? AND PERHAPS A SENSE OF PERSPECTIVE....

Hi George

I wasn't suggesting any further problems would be related just to sub prime, only that Florida has a significant element of sub-prime properties, which lead to the stats quoted above. As you say, it's really a question of judgement as to how far the market has got to fall. My view is that it will be near the bottom in the next 3 months which will be the time to start looking.
Huw


POSTED BY HUW ON WED 2ND APRIL AT 08:55 Reply To Post
RE: FLORIDA BITES BACK! SIGNS OF THINGS TO COME? AND PERHAPS A SENSE OF PERSPECTIVE....

Have to agree with Huw,

There is no doubt in my mind that the US has a long struggle ahead of it, however Florida is somewhat insulated from the pain because of the international tourist industry, Florida prices will recover more quickly than elsewhere due to speculative buying - based on the likelyhood of a fast recovery.

The problem is this way of thinking.

The problem I see is that people are basing their property purchasing decisions assuming that the tourism will rebound quickly due to international holidaymakers due to weak dollar, consider that the $ will not stay weak for long since the FED will have to raise interest rates quickish within 6 months to offset inflationary pressures by my reckoning.

Consider also that a weak US economy / global slowdown will result in a FALL in national & international holiday makers.

Consider also that prices are not cheap yet .... or even good value! Since we are talking of falls from the position of being massively overvalued.

I'd give it another 6 months, wait for the Bush government to indicate the rise of interest rates, - a sure sign that the property market has bottomed out.

Another good indicator will be the recovery of builders stocks and shares ..... usually preceeds the property market recovery by 4 months or so. Until then your money is better off invested elsewhere.


POSTED BY RICHARD ON WED 2ND APRIL AT 10:01 Reply To Post
RE: FLORIDA BITES BACK! SIGNS OF THINGS TO COME? AND PERHAPS A SENSE OF PERSPECTIVE....

Hi

It appears it's not just Florida!

Bargain seekers buy up Detroit foreclosures, reports that city's paper.

Investors from both the U.S. and abroad have descended upon Detroit, purchasing foreclosed homes in bulk, says the Detroit Free Press.
In February, home sales were up 49% in the city, which led the U.S. in the number of foreclosures last year.

Many buyers are snatching up multiple properties with the hopes of selling them back to investors to rent them out.

Homes in Detroit's "better neighborhoods" garner $850 a month. Many hope to later sell the homes and are betting that the local market will improve within the next five to 10 years. With so many foreclosures on the market now, "banks must sell in bulk so they don't get overwhelmed with property," says the piece.

However, closing on a bulk foreclosure deal with a bank can be tough going, according to the article. While investors may look to get homes at 20 to 25 cents on the dollar, banks holding Detroit properties are seeking 30 to 35 cents on the dollar.

Obviously, if you're looking at a market like Detroit, you are well advised to do your due diligence well, as parts of the city notoriously resemble a war zone!

But 30 cents to the dollar in the 'better neighbourhoods' is bound to attract interest.

Maybe, though, we're talking here simply about speculators?

cheers


POSTED BY ROBIN BOWMAN ON WED 2ND APRIL AT 10:44 Reply To Post
RE: FLORIDA BITES BACK! SIGNS OF THINGS TO COME? AND PERHAPS A SENSE OF PERSPECTIVE....

Hi

The National Association of Realtors (NAR) 2008 Investment and Holiday Home Buyers Survey was published this week and made for some interesting reading.

The report painted a picture of the property market in decline comparing figures between 2006 and 2007 - this we all know - however the interesting part of the report was the increase in foreign investors in the US.

It doesn’t come as any surprise that with the strength of the Pound and the Euro against the Dollar; and a large amount of cheap, distressed properties on offer, foreign buyers are helping to take up some of the slack left by the sub-prime crisis in the US.

It is the profile of the foreign investors that makes for interesting reading - the majority of foreign property buyers in the US are from Europe (33%) with UK investors (12%) making up the biggest percentage - the five most acquisitive nationalities investing in US property are: Mexico (13%), UK (12%), Canada (11%), India (6%) and China (5%).

The report also provided useful insights about UK investors buying in the US. They are predominantly lifestyle buyer with 55% wanting the property as a ‘holiday home’, with only 23% of investors who said their property was to be used as a rental investment and 21% planned to use the property for both holiday and holiday letting. Nearly two-thirds (64%) of UK investors purchased in the South of the country followed by the West (26%), Midwest (5%) and the North East (5%). A larger percentage of foreign buyers from the United Kingdom – nearly half – purchased homes in Florida than any other state, the report stated.

When financing their purchase, 33% of UK buyers paid in cash – which is higher than the average for foreign investors (28%). The only country that paid in cash more than the UK was Canada (47%).

So Florida again features as an old favourite but buyers from India and China are now starting to dip their toe in the US property market. This corresponds with our discussion yesterday about the notion that sustained growth in emerging economies this year could tickle the economic giants of this world a little?

Noreen


POSTED BY NOREEN LUCEY ON WED 2ND APRIL AT 11:08 Reply To Post
RE: FLORIDA BITES BACK! SIGNS OF THINGS TO COME? AND PERHAPS A SENSE OF PERSPECTIVE....

i also find the US an interesting market - not just because it's such a buyers' market but also because i think the dollar is likely to strengthen against the pound over the next year or two.

but just as in the UK, there's plenty of good data on sale prices and very little on rental yields. anyone come across anything useful, e.g. for locations in florida?

regards,
dan


POSTED BY DAN W ON FRI 4TH APRIL AT 19:21 Reply To Post
RE: FLORIDA BITES BACK! SIGNS OF THINGS TO COME? AND PERHAPS A SENSE OF PERSPECTIVE....

US is for sure a good time to buy at the moment but if you do then buy a foreclosure in an auction house not one in an agency window. More work but it means the price willl be wholesale not retail and currently there is plenty of choice to get what you want.


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