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Should you put your money into gold? You'd be a fool to do so. Here’s why...

Last week has been one the most eventful weeks of the year for the global economy. The credit crunch is now firmly a credit crisis leading George Bush to declare "we're in challenging times". Meanwhile gold hit a record $1,000 dollar a troy ounce.

It was no coincidence that the US dollar, already plummeting in value against the euro has plunged to a 12 year low against the Yen. One thing we can always be sure of in these uncertain times is a falling dollar means the price of gold rises.

The sub-prime crisis now reaching fever pitch in the US following the news that the fifth largest bank in the US, Bear Stearns has collapsed . This again, was due to the bank's exposure to the risks of sub-prime lending. Conditions are perfect for the biggest surge in gold prices in more than a decade as investors lose their heads and chaos rules.

Investors are understandably nervous about putting their money anywhere else right now, other than perhaps oil, which has also risen in value to $110 a barrel this week.

So why is gold widely regarded as a safe haven for investors?

Primarily because gold is regarded as a hedge against inflation, a currency of last resort when the US dollar is weak.

The price of gold has risen 55% in the past year on the way to hitting the $1000 a troy ounce milestone. It is also widely anticipated that we could see further increases in the coming year, particularly with successive cuts in US base rates, which weaken the dollar's appeal and boost the attraction of the precious metal.

Right now, with panic spreading fast in global stock markets and a media frenzy, many investors have lost sight of long term investment performance.

South Africa, one of the world's major gold producing countries, is suffering from power shortages. This has resulted in a scaling back of mining activities and the country is optimistic that planned job cuts the industry will be avoided now that the price of the metal is rising. This however could well be misplaced optimism.

Demand for gold is expected to increase in India and China, the world's biggest consumers, as their economies continue to perform strongly.

Investors are now flocking to what they see as the safe haven of gold when all other investment options look shaky.

The primary reason why there is a bull run on gold is the weakness of the US dollar -and the currency just keeps getting weaker as financial turmoil grips the American economy, and threatens to spread around the world.

There is little sign of an end to this situation, with each prediction that the crisis is coming to an end there is another that the worst extent of the crisis has yet to be fully realised. The media are even making increasing references to the Great Depression.

All good news for gold then? Well no, not really...

Yes, if you take a short term view and follow the herd.

But and this is a big BUT...

If you believe in buying low and selling high, the warning signs appear to be already there. The price of gold according to analysts is at a "mature phase" - therefore the opportunity for real profits has already passed.

A famous John Kennedy quip prior to the Wall Street crash of 1929 was "you know it's time to sell stocks when even the shoe shine boy tries to give you stock tips".

One of the major signs of an overly inflated market is when it is widely reported that it has reached "new highs" - and that is exactly what is happening with gold. We also have the majority of investors talking optimistically about further rises - so investors are still flocking to the perceived safety of gold in large numbers.

Look more closely at the reporting and you will notice a growing sense of underlying negativity.

We read that the "underlying physical demand has been struggling". While gold may still be in demand in countries like India, demand globally remains constant and in a global recession we can reasonably expect demand for jewellery to fall.

The current increase is driven by nothing more than speculation with nothing to underpin prices.

This rather shaky foundation is a big danger signal - who will buy the gold when confidence returns?

In 1980, just ten days after hitting a record $850 a troy ounce, the price of gold fell to $700.

And, you know what - Once we factor in inflation, today's $1000 dollar an ounce is not that significant compared to the price in 1980.

That is because, historically, gold underperforms virtually every other asset class.

Let's look at the long term trend in gold prices since 1970 below:

Gold Prices

There has been only two major peaks in the last 40 years, the one in 1980 and the one this year.

Otherwise the price has remained fairly constant if we take inflation into account.

Prices would need to top $2,000 a troy ounce to repeat the same spectacular rise last seen in 1980.

Take the short term snapshot over the previous five years and gold looks a pretty good bet. But look at those steep declines in the eighties and this paints a very different picture.

It is also true that the price of gold could well rise further depending on how long the economic uncertainty continues and fear stalks the stock markets.

However, apocalyptic talk of past economic meltdowns and the next major casualty in the banking industry are normally signs that the crisis is near the bottom, which could mean the current window of opportunity will close at any time.

Of course, any prediction of the future is uncertain, and especially so now with such a volatile global economic situation. But what is a safe bet is that this crisis, like all others, will pass.

Gold is not an asset with the qualities to do well in positive investment climates.

When the market rallies the price of gold can fall just as rapidly as it has risen. The latest spike is little more than a flash in the pan.

POSTED BY BRETT TUDOR ON TUE 18TH MARCH AT 13:41 GMT
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SHOULD YOU PUT YOUR MONEY INTO GOLD? YOU'D BE A FOOL TO DO SO. HERE’S WHY...

sign of the tumultuous times when a property website offers an article on the pros and cons of investment in gold bullion!

having said that i agree with your general argument, brett. however, you've kept to an unhelpful convention: only referring to the price in US dollars. viewing gold in pound and euro terms clarifies the market (given the greenback's slump and also the fact that most of us have face pound/euro costs and assets).

regards,
dan


POSTED BY DAN W ON TUE 18TH MARCH AT 18:36 Reply To Post
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In Euros isnt the price of gold pretty damn flat? It's only in USD it lloks like it's been rising per ounce?

Or so I read somewhere recently...


POSTED BY BEN GREENWOOD ON TUE 18TH MARCH AT 19:46 Reply To Post
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Gold is the only sensible investment when fiat currency is being printed at a rediculous rate debasing the value of our £. The £ has falled 12% against the Euro following in the wake of the $ collapse.

The reason why gold is going up and up is because both the $ and £ will be debased up until the point that our economies are once more competitive. Most spectators think £ will fall further .... down 15%, however I follow the view of the IMF view that it will fall at least 25% before the UK could possibly considered a competitive nation.

Gold is one of the few things that will retain value, - Yes there will a time when gold will become overbought - through speculation, but we are a long way from that point. Gold will have to go mainstream before that happens and of course the world banks will try to prevent it from happening.

My advice is to buy at the falls - the "smackdown" that forces spread betting positions to fail and gold to fall, this is caused by central banks dumping gold on the market to force a fall - a pointless folly that will only result in a price fall for a few days at the most, it will rise to new highs soon enough.

The only responsible way to own gold now is to own physical gold, since it is the only thing that can't be manipulated.

I bought lots and lots of gold last August when it became evident that the UK was going to go the way of the US and that the debt bubble was about to burst.

I dont know why I bother responding to these foolish posts - people with no understanding of inflation or what is really going on in the world. By all means ignore me ........ watch your savings being erroded as the £ becomes worth less every day. The sheeple plod on through life ignorant of the real situation - believing the official government CPI inflation figures (complete joke).

I'll post here again in 6 months when my gold has gone up another 30% just to make a point - be careful who you listen to.


POSTED BY RICHARD ON TUE 18TH MARCH AT 22:10 Reply To Post
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Gold down to from £505 to £489 - wow they really did put the printing presses to max capacity creating money out of no-where another 300 billion dumped on the markets ...... no doubt the IMF dumbed a load more gold too. Interest rates will have to go through the roof at some point in the future to get rid of all this money, but not until the US housing crash bottoms out.

Perfect ....buy at the dips ... time to buy buy buy gold.


POSTED BY RICHARD ON TUE 18TH MARCH AT 22:21 Reply To Post
RE: SHOULD YOU PUT YOUR MONEY INTO GOLD? YOU'D BE A FOOL TO DO SO. HERE’S WHY...

richard, i applaud your enthusiasm. and it is true that you tipped gold last year - congratulations, your gains are well deserved. but you have also been tipping hungarian property for a long time and it seems to have stagnated in the doldrums.

i don't feel i want to buy gold now, but i'd love to hire you to sell a property i am currently trying to sell. i believe your energetic confidence would soon browbeat a purchaser to reach for his chequebook. interested? 3% commission available.

regards,
dan


POSTED BY DAN W ON TUE 18TH MARCH AT 22:55 Reply To Post
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Dan, is it in Hungary? If so no chance of a buyer I'm afraid!


POSTED BY HUW ON TUE 18TH MARCH AT 23:06 Reply To Post
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You need to look at the bigger picture folks ........ its all about the debt bubble that the US and the UK have accumulated and the ONLY way that we could get rid of it
- never mind the cost (peoples life savings being erroded away).

The chinese refused to alter the status quo when they would not revalue their currency when US went begging to them, they made small token movements only.

The result was a policy of currency devaluation and a period of seriously low interest rates in the US. Im not saying that it was all engineered, but rather it was the inevitable conclusion of a long saga fueled by debt.

The debt bubble resulted in the credit crunch - an opportunity for the US and UK to redress an imbalance in the world economy, a long and painful period of rebuilding our manufacturing base.

So whats next ........ you always have to think ahead fokes .... dont just believe the analysts ....... ask 10 different analysts the same thing and you will get many different responses. Use your own judgement to arrive at your own conclusions and invest with confidence or not at all.

Inflation is two fold. First it is the expansion of monetary aggregates which always result in price inflation.

Deflation is debt failure first. Debt failure clear of no monetary expansion will reduce prices.

We now have unprecedented monetary inflation on top of price inflation coming from the monetary and fiscal stimulus of 2000 to present.

We are headed to some degree of the Weimar experience, which can be summed up as debt failure, collapse in business activity and an explosive rise in prices for goods and services while a currency collapse took place.

Ok so Dollar down = £ down -> Euro down -> Manufacturing nations currency devaluation & deflation

= reset of world economy.

Manufacturing countries will have to diversify away from being reliant on exports to drive growth.

Only gold and other essential commodities will weather the deflation successfully.


POSTED BY RICHARD ON TUE 18TH MARCH AT 23:16 Reply To Post
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As for Hungary - it was always a long term play ...... in all my posts I have made that 2008 would be a difficult year as the austerity measures hit home reducing the budget deficit at the cost of growth.

As it happens my properties have increased more quickly than I have expected .... property value up 30% since I purchased (consider I have only invested 20k Euro in it so far). So far this year 2008 ....... up 5%.

Whilst my property completion money has been rising nicely ...... invested in GOLD.


POSTED BY RICHARD ON TUE 18TH MARCH AT 23:25 Reply To Post
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and do you still live with your parents?


POSTED BY BRETT S ON TUE 18TH MARCH AT 23:59 Reply To Post
RE: SHOULD YOU PUT YOUR MONEY INTO GOLD? YOU'D BE A FOOL TO DO SO. HERE’S WHY...

As it happens ....... yes I do live with my parents, Sold my place several years ago ..... saw the property crash coming and acted accordingly (it sold for 15% above the maximum valuation in a sealed bid situation).

Why on earth would I continue to own when its cheaper to rent?

I plan to buy again in several years once the property crash has bottomed out in the UK and started to rise once more in 2-3 yrs time. Since the crash in the US will bottom out first, I might buy there first - then here.


POSTED BY RICHARD ON WED 19TH MARCH AT 06:20 Reply To Post
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Hi Richard

In what way is gold an 'essential commodity'? It is no more than a currency of last resort.

And from the FT today:

'The deteriorating outlook for metals demand made gold’s recent record highs look unsustainable. The yellow metal lost the $930 mark as European equities trade began, trading at $929.50.'

Of course, that's just an analyst talking, but the numbers are real.

Course, if you bought a while ago, then well done! I guess if you buy and hold most things for long enough they'll be an upside at some point.

And who are these manufacturing countries ( by which I assume you mean economies primarily dependent on manufacturing) who are going to see their currencies fall and experience deflation? China, for example? It has serious inflation problems and if it allowed its currency to float tomorrow it would rocket!

Lastly, if we're going to experience a 1930s depression, and expanding emerging economies are going to experience deflation and currency devaluation, as you seem to suggest, who is going to buy all these commodities for which they are the biggest customers?


cheers


POSTED BY ROBIN BOWMAN ON THU 20TH MARCH AT 13:13 Reply To Post
RE: SHOULD YOU PUT YOUR MONEY INTO GOLD? YOU'D BE A FOOL TO DO SO. HERE’S WHY...

Robin - I think movements in gold have been more technically driven than fundamentals driven although I understand that supply is quite tight also.

Gold off 8% today but I'm no more impressed by that than I was by the dramatic increases. Intra day trading can't lead you to a lot of conclusions.

I agree commodity prices will really drop if we have a financial armageddon scenario but that will be because demand from consumers will drop off. As I think demand for gold is driven more by investors striving for safe havens and following trends than by real consumer demand, I would not expect the price of gold to drop like other commodities in such a bad scenario. I think investors could be really competing to get into gold, first to ensure safety, and then because of greed to make profit. This is still IF we reach a doomsday scenario.

So I see further upside to the price yet due to market behaviour although as I said previously the current price of $900-$1000 seems about right. If I had to predict I would say $1150 at end of the year. Another point is if you invest in a fund of gold mining companies during gold price rises you make more profit because net margins improve at a greater rate than the gold increase.

My view is keep investing in CEE property, but I will continue to hold some funds in gold mining companies for the next few years. I'm doing this for a defensive "just in case" play which is why I bought into gold mining companies in the first place. Although I am tempted to have properties in Romania mortgaged in CHF to get lower interest rates, it seems too risky to me in case the CHF strenghtens a lot. I would like to hear others view on whether mortgaging in CHF is wise or not.


POSTED BY BRETT S ON THU 20TH MARCH AT 14:23 Reply To Post
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Hi Brett

You're absolutely right. IF there's a total meltdown, gold will stay high.

And of course a snippet like that doesn't prove anything - I really just wanted to use it to question some of Richard's assumptions about commodities and on manufacturing based economies.

Gold is a different kind of commodity to oil, wheat, etc. In a meltdown they will go down, gold will rise. But then gold is traded in dollars, so you have another factor to consider - how much has it really risen in terms of your base currency?

Actually there was a piece in the FT the other day , which I think Neil Lewis linked to, pointing out that real demand for gold ie for it to be used to make stuff (the biggest demand coming from China and India apparently ) is down quite dramatically.

From what I read, your strategy is spot on - gold is a hedge rather than an investment and even gold bulls say it should be around only 20% of a portfolio.

My view on currency forecasting - mug's game. BUT, having said that! I'd say the CHF will strengthen relative to all currencies, certainly in the short term. Ron rates are likely to support the Ron, surely, as Romania tackles inflation. The euro must come down soon. Longer term, so long as you're not over-geared, I wonder if the current currency roller coaster will matter very much? Or is that being too glib?


POSTED BY ROBIN BOWMAN ON THU 20TH MARCH AT 15:14 Reply To Post
RE: SHOULD YOU PUT YOUR MONEY INTO GOLD? YOU'D BE A FOOL TO DO SO. HERE’S WHY...

...having said that, maybe Brett's blog really did call gold's peak!


Thursday - Gold futures are down another $30 an ounce in electronic trading after the $59 tumble on Wednesday.

That's a big fall!


POSTED BY ROBIN BOWMAN ON THU 20TH MARCH AT 16:06 Reply To Post
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"Deflation is debt failure first. Debt failure clear of no monetary expansion will reduce prices."

Deflation will only occur if the FED fails to cause inflation, todays clever - relatively successful attempt to slow / reverse the dollar fall was done by tricking the market to believe the FED would fail to cause inflation - thus the market moved with the assumption that Deflation was / is on its way. The fall in value of US T Bills caused resulted from the market belief that ultimately Deflation not Inflation would rule the roost, this is triggered the gold fall.

Be under no illusion .... inflation is on its way. So far the FED has printed / dumped over 1 TRILLION DOLLARS into the US markets ...... eventually all this toilet paper $ will make its way into the economy and guess where all this money will go?

Roll on the extended commodity boom ...... gold will continue up to over $1600 over this year and next. Hopefully some of this money will head into new EU countries and fuel investment and will no doubt fuel the property boom in currently undervalued locations as investors look for safe havens.


POSTED BY RICHARD ON FRI 21ST MARCH AT 00:04 Reply To Post
RE: SHOULD YOU PUT YOUR MONEY INTO GOLD? YOU'D BE A FOOL TO DO SO. HERE’S WHY...

If the FED fails to create inflation then Deflation will take hold and the US will have the worst recession since the 1930's.

This trillion dollars pumped into the markets has to go somewhere, someone I know suggested an interesting idea as to what the US may be planning........

Japans inflationary / deflationary recession period of the last decade provides us with an interesting template. Most people think of this time as a deflationary period, this is because they EXPORTED the inflation via the carry trade, thus partially causing the current globally infationary pressures.

Im too tired to think anymore ....... good night.


POSTED BY RICHARD ON FRI 21ST MARCH AT 00:18 Reply To Post
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A few questions to get the sheeple thinking.

1. How long can the fed keep pumping money - what is their end game?

2. Which country has MORE debt per person ..... US or UK?

3. How do countries get rid of massive debt, what are their options?

4. How will Asian countries (China, India) highly dependent on manufacturing & exports react to the collapse of $ / £ / Euro?


POSTED BY RICHARD ON FRI 21ST MARCH AT 00:39 Reply To Post
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There was an article in one of the papers over the weekend, - head of the BOJ (bank of Japan) said in a statement that the US must stop printing money because it is causing Global inflation - exactly what I posted above.

In their view the FED HAS to use public finances to prop up the housing market by buying all the bad mortgages.


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