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200% Growth Challenge
Good morning from Valencia Airport.

I have a challenge - please name any city that has seen over 200% growth (ie a property you bought for 100,000 Euros is now worth 300,000 Euros) in the past 5 years!

Let's make a list of all the really successful property hotspots over the past 5 years.

Why 200%? Well, that is the amount that I believe property prices in Valencia have risen in the past 5 years.

I know this because I moved here over 5 years ago and bought our first property here (sold this spring) for over 200% profit.

How many other cities - across the world - have acheived this growth in the past 5 years? Let's make a list!

There is a reason to this ...

... and it is because I am leaving Valencia today on a fact finding / Max Growth searching trip to the UK, Italy, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia and Croatia to find the next candidates for 200% growth in 5 years.

Let's call it the 200% Success Club (those that did it) and the 200% Opportunity Club (those that have the potential)...

... and let me tell you - now that Valencia is a successful destination - it even has WiFi in its airport lounge! Wow - that really is arriving....

Seriously tho', Valencia won the America's Cup - which play to huge success this June and will in Aug 2008 host a city F1 race around its harbour.

It is also very likely that the next America's Cup will be here too - and even if not - the team bases will remain in Valencia...

... the airport has just completed a new extension and the metro is still adding stations and stops...

... but the property market is dead - hit by a doubling of interest rates ... and isn't going anywhere for a few years.

Most people in Valencia with property will be holding the property for a couple of years now before they will be able to exit and turn their paper profits into real cash.

This is not a problem for those who entered the market 5 years ago - because they can offer a 10% discount to get the sale. Or because the rentals on a property bought 5 years ago offer good yields.

It is just a problem for those who entered the market late!

And this is the warning - hot markets - entered late are a very bad investment.

Whereas, markets that will become hot - entered early are fantastic investments.

How do you tell the difference? Well, that is the topic of this blog - and what I'll be attempting to do as I travel around the UK and Central and Souther Europe this summer.

I think most of us would agree, that these markets are still in early phases of growth - but let us see how early - and how hard it is to invest (this is the problem with entering early - the infrastructure doesn't exist or is immature - making things harder - but not impossible).

Next stop - Crewe Station - let's see what the potential growth in Crewe over the next 5 years might be...

Cheers
Neil

ps. Please post your candidates for Success Club and Opportunity Club here...
POSTED BY NEIL LEWIS ON TUE 17TH JULY AT 09:59 GMT
TAGS: Valencia Property, Spain Property, Romania Property, Property Investment, Budapest Property, Bucharest Property
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200% GROWTH CHALLENGE

Neil - I agree all you say about getting into markets at the right time. The last ten years have been very good in most countries, mainly because of falling interest rates and increasingly easy credit. This trend is now going into reverse and my view is that the next ten years will be far more difficult. The trend will be one of stagnation in property prices. The question is, of course, whether there are markets that will significantly buck that trend. It seems to me it is not inevitable that Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, Croatia, Ukraine etc will necessarily see very good further growth. The best may be behind us. Nor will Germany automatically do well just because it is cheap. I too am chasing that ideal new market. My property portfolia is held entirely in Poland. However, I am beginning to wonder if the fundamentals may not in fact now be better in South America? (eg Uruguay, Argentina, Brazil) Could that be the place for the next 200% growth investment? Any thoughts? Stephen Barnes


POSTED BY STEPHEN BARNES ON FRI 10TH AUGUST AT 23:22 Reply To Post
LATIN AMERICA

Hi Stephen Thanks - yes, we are starting to consider Latin America - I think it is the next natural region once Eastern Europe has delivered its growth - but I still think it is in the wait and see mode. For instance, there is a lot of interest in this region from Spain (due to history and language) and from our Spanish office we are considering these countries - but none strike us a obvious or immediate candidates. I am particularly concerned by the selling of the Brazilian beach - I think this offers a great profit for the land holders (and agents) - but dreadful for off plan investors (another version of the Bulgarian coast in my view - where investors can't sell for years). But, there will be some Latin American cities that benefit. The big risk in many Latin American countries are a) availability of finance b) size of country (ie will it be overlooked by FDI) c) currency and debt risks ... I have read the view that the region is sorting out its democratic credentials and this will make it more attractive than Asia (where Thailand has reversed the recent trend) etc... So, we're open to this possibility - but on our initial reading - we think it is still too early. Nevertheless, what you say about credit is true - and will affect all markets - which means I guess we should focus only on the strongest - and I think you can be a cautious investor in Central Eastern Europe and still find excellent growth opportunities. Cheers Neil


POSTED BY NEIL LEWIS ON SAT 11TH AUGUST AT 08:46 Reply To Post
BRAZILIAN BEACH

Neil Thanks for that. I agree with you. It may be too early for South America and that there is more to squeeze nearer home if careful. Particularly agree about avoiding beach and non-core property. The Property Secrets strategy of concentrating on meeting the needs of local populations in sizeable cities is, I am sure, the best and safest one. In contrast, the demand for beach type property is very fickle and could well fall away quite fast if the world economy goes through a difficult patch and the cost of credit increases. I really don't know where all the buyers (and renters) are to come from for beach type apartments in Bulgaria, Morocco, Turkey, Montenegro etc...and indeed Spain and, as you say, Brazil. The World has a lot of beach! Stephen


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Wake up and Smell the Coffee – the Romanian property investment opportunity that is passing people by….



A number of property investors are still a little shy of investment property in Romania.

Property Secrets members will be familiar that we have regarded this country as offering some of the most exciting (and admittedly ‘raw’) investment opportunities available anywhere in the world – but within a low risk (EU, stable, democratic, reform lead, mortgage based, booming country).

However, many British (and Spanish too) investors get hung up on one question – that is…



How can Romanians afford to buy property when the average wage is around 350
Euros per month?

The answer is simple – most Romanians either earn a lot less – perhaps 50 to 150 Euros per month – and a large number of Romanians living in big cities earn a lot more (600 to 5,000 Euros per month).

The average comes out at 350 per month – which, by the way, only a few people earn!

Still, low manufacturing wages are a key reason for companies investing in plants in Romania.

But it is not the only reason! Also, the IT skills of Romanians are second in the world market to only those of Indian expats.

And Romania is now a key logistics centre and a booming consumer economy (2nd largest of the recent accession countries after Poland) which is generating considerable internal demand for supermarkets to superbrands!

The truth is that Romania is a country of ‘haves’ and ‘have nots’ in a way that is not familiar to West Europeans unless they have spent some time travelling in Asia or similar countries.

This ‘have’ and ‘have not’ structure extends to cars (Audi Q7s to those who hitch-hike daily or walk many miles per day) and property too (4 people crammed in a 30m2 studio flat built in the 1960s according to a crumbling North Korean style vs modern 1 bed-roomed flats with 60m2 space and a balcony).

– I bet if you are still reading this you might still be thinking – ‘hmm… not sure I believe that…’

Well, let me give you a comparison.

As anyone living in a Latin country will confirm, Coffee is a staple food! More so that hamburgers, I believe.

In Spain, Italy and any other Latin country Coffee is consumed the way the Brits drink tea – only, it is always drunk in a bar (and not made at home).

That means it is bought and consumed by people who work in fields along side people who clean the streets and others who work in smart suits and shinny new offices.

(Actually, this is exactly the make up of the average coffee drinker in the coffee bar next to our Spanish Property Secrets office in Valencia).

Therefore, like the Economist’s famous hamburger test – if I compare the cost of a Café Con Leche/ Cappuccino / Milky Coffee – then I can see the actual spending power of the local population?

To carry out this test, I have tasted and bought a Cappuccino equivalent in the trendiest bar in town (Yes, it’s a hard life!). These are my results so far

Valencia, Spain, main square– 2.20€ (not long ago it was 1€)
Budapest, Hungary, main square – 2.90€
Cluj-Napoca, Romania, main square – 1.50€

Now, what is important here is to remember that the average wage in Romanian (remember ‘average’ is just a calculation – it doesn’t mean anyone actually earns it) is just 350 Euros per month.

So, those investors who fret about average wages and the ability to buy and sell and rent property would want to know that an average wage would buy 230 cups of coffee per month – that is just over 7 cups per day.

It is quite common to drink 3 or 4 coffees per day. This would, therefore, be the equivalent of half of a monthly way – before tax!

Add the taxes and you can see that on average wages you can drink about 6 cups per day! This is not allowing for food or shelter or clothes or transport or anything else!

What this shows – I hope – is that the average wage is a crazy way to judge the spending power of Romanians – because the country is so sharply divided amongst the ‘real earners’ and the ‘subsistence earners’.

The important point here is that the coffee shops I visited in the centre of Cluj-Napoca weren’t just surviving but thriving! They were creating a young trendy fashionable environment in which you could sip your Cappuccino, Moca, Shake or Cocktail of any variety or type. (Please see the photo above - note, there are a number of people sipping Cappuccinos - these are your likely property buyers and renters)

Such conspicuous consumerism is a clear sign of a booming middle class – of aspiration – and of people who want to move from rotten old north Korean designed 60s block architecture to something modern, clean, bright, functioning and new.

I am not denying that many people living in rural areas (still a large amount of people) are living a peasant / subsistence way of life. Nor that some people living the in the cities – perhaps 30% living in very poor conditions.

Not at all.

I am simply saying that this ‘average’ view of Romania does not help you understand what is really happening in the new and booming cities. Nor does it help you make wise property investment decisions.

However, there is a very important point about Romanian cities…

The trick – and it is a very important trick – is to figure out which cities are booming and which are not.

Bucharest, the capital, clearly is going through a massive boom phase.

However, where else? Well, I believe that Cluj-Napoca (on the wealthy western border of Romania) is positioning itself to become the 2nd city of Romania (perhaps challenged by Constanta at the opposite end of the country and on the black sea).

This is a city that is drawing jobs away from neighbouring Hungary as well as pulling in building and factory workers from nearby towns such as Bistrita and Dej.

Cluj-Napoca is also pulling more than its ‘average’ share of funds from central government and has an ambitious plan to tap a large share of EU funds too.

Either way, the road transport – the major European highway from Budapest to Vienna – will pass by the edge of Cluj Napoca and its population is (ambitiously) forecast to grow from 500,000 in the metropolitan area to 2m in the next 10 years.

Hence, Cluj Napoca is the best candidate I’ve seen so far for our 200% club – and I think it has many of the features that Valencia, Spain had 5 years ago. (Valenica’s property prices have grown 200% in the past 5 years – and we are looking for more of the same…).

And… in 5 years time… a coffee on the main town square of Cluj-Napoca will cost much more than 1.5€. I reckon it will be well past 3€ and average property prices will be 250,000€ and not 80,000€.

For Property Investors it is time to wake up and smell the coffee – while there is still time and a cappuccino costs just 1.5€.

Cheers
Neil

Ps. Tomorrow I am off to the smaller Romanian city of Sibiu – European capital of culture for 2007 and another city that is drawing investment and inhabitants away from other cities as it builds its position as the capital of the local Saxon area (strong cultural ties with Germany and a lot of German spoken).

Pps. After Sibiu, I’m off to Brasov, Bucarest and Constanta – all of which will be strong candidates…. (how on earth am I going to put these cities in an ordered list?)
POSTED BY NEIL LEWIS ON THU 26TH JULY AT 21:15 GMT
TAGS: Valencia Property, Romania Property, Cluj-Napoca Property, Berlin Property
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WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE – THE ROMANIAN PROPERTY INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY THAT IS PASSING PEOPLE

'And… in 5 years time… a coffee on the main town square of Cluj-Napoca will cost much more than 1.5€. I reckon it will be well past 3€ and average property prices will be 250,000€ and not 80,000€.' With respect, if PS were selling properties in Romania at 80,000 euros then I would be a lot happier about buying them. The fact is that the prices of your recent offers have been uncomfortably close to UK levels. I can't shake off the suspicion that developers are milking foreign investors for all they are worth. They saw what happened in Poland, and they know that investors want another slice of that.


POSTED BY MINSK ON FRI 27TH JULY AT 12:45 Reply To Post
ROMANIAN PRICES

Hi Minsk Fair point. I think one always has to be careful not to be the last investor to arrive at the party. However, I think there is a difference between Cluj prices and Bucharest prices. I don't think many developers are basing prices on Poland - perhaps with the possible exception of some international developers in Bucarest. Many of the developers I have met on this trip are Romanian and have been asking us to guide them on what our investors want - which suggests that they don't actually know too much about what is happening outside their own market? It is true that margins on land are substantial - but it is hard to argue that a new build should be less than a panelak - and these do sell for quite big sums. Still - land has risen very rapidly to a more market based price - and I think those margins are going to get badly squeezed in the next two years as construction costs rocket. Hence, investors getting fixed price contracts now will come out right in 1 to 2 years time once the contractors have put their prices up. It is true tho, that in any market that is as bullish as this one, that you need to be careful to choose right. Cheers Neil ps. We are just seeing the beginning of the Romanians living abroad - aparently Romanians living and working in Spain bought an entire first phase of a major development by a Spanish developer working in Bucharest in just a few weeks! They might be wrong - or we might just miss out - that is 64 million dollar question. Cheers Neil


POSTED BY NEIL LEWIS ON FRI 27TH JULY AT 22:53 Reply To Post
SIBIU CAPPUCCION PRICES! AND WHY ROMANIA ISN'T CHEAP

Hi All I've just paid 5.5 Lei - that's about 1.7 Euros - for a Cappuccino in Sibiu, Romania. I'm consistently paying over 40 Euros for lunch - that is a family of four - the cost of diesel is higher than in Spain - but the same (more or less) as Italy. I've been told that supermarkets (which traditionally offer big savings on local general stores) are swamped! That was my experience when I saw the Carrefour store on Saturday afternoon - in the middle of August! Also, many medium and highly wealthy Romanians go abroad to shop for clothes - there is something to this, I beleive. Either way, for a middle class way of life - Romania is not cheap. It is not particularly expensive either - but the key point is that it is not cheap. As we know, property in those cities is not cheap either. Not expensive - but not dirty / basement level cheap. And - crucially - there is a significant proportion of people who can afford it. Notably - in the past two days - I have seen 1 Maserati, 1 Aston Martin, 5 porche's, 7 Q7s, lots of BMWs of all sorts - and lots of Audis. It is a surprising country! More to follow... Cheers Neil


POSTED BY NEIL LEWIS ON SUN 29TH JULY AT 19:39 Reply To Post
BRASOV AND 80,000EURO FLATS

Hi Neil and all, I have also travelled extensively in Romania this month, namely to Bucharest - Brasov - Iasi and hope to make it to Cluj soon to try a cappucino! I asked an estate agent in Brasov how much flats were and they said 80,000 - 110,000euros for 3 beds in areas with proximity to centre and double those prices in historical central areas.Seems similar to prices in Valencia about 4 years ago. Beautiful country and lots of development going on in cities and smaller towns.Iasi is a regional capital in north-west of Romania and even though this is quite poor region the city really impressed me and apartments can be bought there for as little as 40,000euros and its a beautiful place. Hotel prices have gone up a lot in last year, and albeit cheaper than Spain, not a total bargain by any means.Most double rooms are 50euro per night minimum in any relatively decent kind of hotel.Most quality food in supermarkets is imported and thus as expensive as in Spain. I have a sneaking suspicion that secondary market prices in 2nd tier cities are going to rise steadily in next few years.Doesn't buying a 3 bed apart in Brasov now for 90,000euro seem quite cheap? I have the same intuition for this market as I had with Wroclaw in Poland and Valencia in Spain 3 years ago. Liam


POSTED BY LIAMVALENCIA ON MON 13TH AUGUST AT 18:55 Reply To Post
SECONDARY MARKET

Hi Liam, Thanks for your observations on the secondary market. I have also though that this might be a better way into the Romanian market, rather than off-plan. 90,000 euros does sound pretty cheap, If I've done my sums right then off-plan units are going for about twice the price of secondary market apartments per square metre. Confusion can arise because they are measured differently. Of course new developments are going to have more prestige, and it is a matter of estimating the premium associated with this.


POSTED BY MINSK ON TUE 14TH AUGUST AT 12:11 Reply To Post
SECONDARY MARKET

Hi Minsk, I don't know much about prices yet, but as I do more research we'll be in contact. I can only go by what I've seen in local newspapers etc. I agree with you, I'm not interested in any more off-plan deals now. I should never have gone down that road so late in Poland either. Anyway even though i got a good deal in Poland at Christmas, due to problems of off-plan process and banks, I will probably get out of Poland. I think the big gains have been had in Warsaw for time being and I can't really be bothered waiting for peanuts. Don't think capital growth this year is gonna be anything like it was over last 5 years and especially last year. Even though high gearing and all that sounds great in theory, I think in practice it ain't so easy in these Eastern European markets. My latest thoughts are that if I can release enough equity in Spain I will just buy a used flat in cash or 75% in cash. At the end of the day its high risk but I feel its the only way to go. What I'm looking for is big capital growth over 3-4 year period and then get out. I have a feeling the growth on any kind of property in key locations in major cities in Romania is going to be really substantial over next 2 years.Any ideas or opinions about buying secondary market property in Romania would be appreciated. Liam


POSTED BY LIAMVALENCIA ON TUE 14TH AUGUST AT 15:46 Reply To Post
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Soothing feelings in Crewe - but rockets in Romania
Crewe has a few building sites - mainly replacing existing stock - and after perhaps a 40%+ growth 2 years ago, the location hasn't done much in the past 2 years.

Nearby Nantwich, however, despite being over supplied by new build over the past 3 years, is showing healthy property potential signs. These include snazzy London type restuarants - all the waitresses were pretty girls - and drawing a 'beautiful crowd' previously the reserve of bigger and faster cities.

Nantwich is a a classic Cheshire market town - with high quality schools and a high quality (and increasingly sophisticated) way of life and shopping!

But, will it quality for our 200% club? NO! Yes, there are a number of small developments in the city centre (or close to it) and those that combine central location with moderate / low noise and distribance levels will appeal and grow in value.

Yes, Nantwich will become more appealing - but it feels like this will only deliver moderate price growth.

Why? Well, the area has been previously oversupplied by farmland and in the past 3 years over supplied by new (mainly housing) properties.

This new supply has kept prices down.

Equally, most people living and affording this affluent town work in Manchester or a neighbouring city or large town (even Crewe) but that the distance from the major centres means that demand will increase steadily (but not spectacularly).

Nantwich is a great place, I bet, for redevelopment - especially central locations with low noise / disturbance problems. But it is not a candidate for the 200% club.

But, I do have a candidate for the 200% club - that is Romania.

News in today is that Spanish developer Hercesa has managed to sell many hundreds of units to Romanians living in Spain before they released the prices on a new development! This development has now been pulled from the market due to over demand.

Bucharest is going to absolutely rocket. Investors now looking to buy will have to buy anything they can get their hands on - and the picky investor will miss out.

Clearly a 200%+ candidate.

So, Crewe is soothing -but not exciting - Nantwich has a new buzz - which could make money for re-furb investors - but the property price rockets are going off in Bucharest right now!

Off to Milan tomorrow - let's see if the land of pasta and pizza can deliver some property fizz.

Cheers
Neil

ps. Do post your responses here - any candidates for the 200% club - like Valencia? And candidates for the 200% Opportunity club - like Romania?

pps. We've been predicting this take off in Romania for a while....
Where the Money will be made in property investment
and
The Ikea factor in Bucharest and Romania
POSTED BY NEIL LEWIS ON THU 19TH JULY AT 23:25 GMT
TAGS: Valencia Property, Romania Property, Property Price Growth, Property Investment, Nantwich Property, Crewe Property, Bucharest Property
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SOOTHING FEELINGS IN CREWE - BUT ROCKETS IN ROMANIA

How about the resort of Slavsko in the Carpathian Mountains, Ukraine? Multi million $ expansion plans being drawn up in terms of infrastructure, accomodation and ski lifts! With the Lviv being the closest city and hosting Euro 2012 football matches - there's big interest already and lots of building work in progress. Slavsko is the most popular ski resort in the Ukraine, and with a new 'middle class' of Ukrainian people - the resort is on the verge of a boom - a la Bansko!


POSTED BY BOB SMITH ON FRI 20TH JULY AT 14:44 Reply To Post
SLAVSKO

Bob, I plan to go to Slavsko at the end of August, where as you say it is starting to be promoted as the next Bansko. I'll let you know what i find out when i return.


POSTED BY SIMON TWEDDLE ON SAT 21ST JULY AT 08:11 Reply To Post
SLAVSKO

Simon....are you still planning on going out to Slavsko at the end of the month?


POSTED BY BOB ON TUE 14TH AUGUST AT 14:35 Reply To Post
SLAVSKO

Yes. Will let you know when i return in September.


POSTED BY SIMON TWEDDLE ON TUE 14TH AUGUST AT 14:39 Reply To Post
200 CLUB NOMINEE?

If you pass through Bistritia (talk to Titus in Erin pub) in Romania, I would be interested to hear your view on property opportunities especially Houses in this town. Enjoy the trip!


POSTED BY AIDEN ON FRI 20TH JULY AT 20:55 Reply To Post
NEXT BANSKO

Hi Bob Has Bansko truely risen 200% in the past 5 years? Are the original investors actually able to cash in and realise the profit? Or is it more of a paper profit? My experience of holiday resorts (see my 'Sting in the tail') blog is that they are great for the land developers - but pretty poor for the end user - it the off plan buyer? Anyone got a balanced view on this? Cheers Neil


POSTED BY NEIL LEWIS ON SAT 21ST JULY AT 22:40 Reply To Post
SLAVSKO

I have been out to Slavsko and from what I was told when out there, land values have risen from $10 per square metre a couple of years back and are now at $40/50 and rising. The resort is apparently extremely popular with the locals and is seen as a fashionable place to go. You have to remember that the Ukraine is coming from a long way back but with the economy growing quickly and with a population of over 50 million you can see the potential out there. The countryside is nothing short of stunning, skiing area not quite on a par with the alps but I was also told that accomodation is in very short supply with many thousands of people (Ukrianians, Russians, Poles, Romanians) wishing to visit the resort daily during the winter months - accomodation is booked up for 2 years in advance. During the summer months it is also v popular, used for hunting, fishing, hiking, biking etc. So generally you can see the potential!! With investment coming from all angles - watch this space. Be very interesting to hear what you have to say Simon after your visit.


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LVIV AND BISTRITIA - 200 CLUB NOMINEES

Hi Guys Thanks for your recommendations - I'll accept these two cities as nominees - and now I'll go look them up on the map! Cheers Neil


POSTED BY NEIL LEWIS ON SAT 21ST JULY AT 22:45 Reply To Post
LVIV

Hi Neil Are you still planning on heading to Lviv? I'd be interested to hear your feedback. Bob


POSTED BY BOB ON TUE 14TH AUGUST AT 14:33 Reply To Post
LVIV

Hi Bob - nope - Lviv didn't make it. Sorry. Cheers Neil


POSTED BY NEIL LEWIS ON MON 20TH AUGUST AT 12:09 Reply To Post
NANTWICH

Agree with your blog on Crewe and Nantwich Neil. I live in Nantwich and whilst I've seen quite a lot of change in the town centre in terms of trendy bars and restaurants, the house prices have only seen steady growth due to an oversupply of new build property in both the Stapely area (1/2 mile out) and in the town centre itself. Buying below market value or a refurb would be the way to go for a property investor - hold onto the property for 5-10 years and prices may start to rise more steeply as demand equals or overtakes supply. In the meantime, you'll still get moderate growth and fairly good rental yields. Nantwich is a desirable place to live. But a member of the 200% club? Nope!


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