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Hungary for Change – Has turmoil in Budapest taken the country off the property investor’s map?

By any standards, Hungary looks a mess economically and politically; but have recent events destroyed any allure the country ever had for property investors? Or will they lead longer term to investment opportunities?

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EU remains your best investment bet?
Admin Member Image Neil Lewis (PS) EU remains your best investment bet?
Posted: Oct 13 06 14:22
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As arguments spill over about risk - change of govt in Poland - people on the streets in Hugary - military intervention in Thailand ... it is interesting to see where each is coming from. I believe - that within the EU a democratic process is taking place in Poland, Czech Rep and Slovakia. I also believe that the incredible 'yes we lied' comment by the Hungarian PM, with the result of people of the streets is also part of a democracy that is growing up. The difference between Hungary and Poland, Czech Rep and Slovakia - is that Hungary's economy has a serious debt problem - and that was public knowledge (okay, public to anyone who reads this website or (say) the Economist. What has happened in Thailand is that the democratic process has broken down. This is scary. If I was an investor in Thailand I'd be scared. Equally, what happened in Beriut this summer is a warning to all 'overseas investors' not to stretch too far. Lastly, some of our investors have been critical that we don't source deals from China - and last weekend I read that the major of Shanghai has been forced to changed property law to the detriment (ie loss) of foreign investors. It is easy to tar all non-UK locations with the same brush - but let me give you three categories to help you seperate the wheat from the chaff. 1. Growing Democracies Countries learning to deal with democracy and learning to live with a market economy. In this category I'd put Czech Rep, Slovakia, Poland, Baltics etc... I hope that we can add Romania to this category - although time will tell. We source our deals from these countries. They also have the benefit of a club (EU) that helps to keep them to the rules. 2. Growing Democracies with an economic problem In this group I'd put Hungary and South Africa - they both have debt and economic problems - and both have big risks (currency devaluation type risks) attached. We could go to these countries for deals - but don't feel there is any need to - when the opportunity in category 1 is so good. If that changes, then yes, we could swap greater potential return for greater risk. Category 3 - Non or superficially democratic countries In this group I'd put China and also Thailand. Yes, they are experiencing huge economic growth - but the rule of law (and propety law in particular) is shaky and can be knocked down very easily. It is impossible to evaluate risk in these countries. Therefore, it is impossible to say whether the returns are worth the level of unknowable risk. Hence, we feel v. uncomfortable about sourcing deals from these sorts of countries. Lastly, in praise of the EU, Hungary will solve its problems - and then it will become an attractive property investment opportunity. I see the political changes in the remaining EU new entrants as part of the 'growing up' process. And that it is crucial to distinguish this process from the pulling down of democracy in other countries - or those countries that also have real economic problems.

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Dave (PRO Member) EU property
Posted: Oct 13 06 14:47
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I agree Neil. Ireland is an interesting case in point. The country has benefited massively from EU inclusion and has been a wonderful place for property investors over the past 10 years. But it was also a country not without allegations of financial scandal and corruption (e.g. the late former Irish Taoiseach Charlie Haughy)

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Dave (PRO Member) EU property
Posted: Oct 13 06 15:12
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Hi Neil, I mean't to ask. How did you get on with your recent trip to Bratislava and investigations on the state of the rental market locally? If the rental market isn't so good there with potentially lng void periods, then perhaps this lessens the attraction of Slovakia - compared to say Poland. What do you think? All the best, Dave

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David (PRO Member) Bratislava
Posted: Oct 18 06 12:15
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Neil, Any update on the rental market in Bratislava? Thanks. David.

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