New financing rules in Poland: "Money Transfer Agreement" deposits?
gglaze (PRO Member) New financing rules in Poland: "Money Transfer Agreement" deposits?
Posted: Aug 14 08 12:33
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Hi all,
I've just gotten my mortgage agreements done for Blizne and Galeria Park 2 (wohoo!)...

As expected in these tough times, banks seem to be cracking down on risk and putting in new terms to enhance their protection. My mortgages are with Noble (same bank I have gone with previously).

In these two new agreements, there seems to be an interesting new "Money Transfer Agreement" clause, which is apparently a sort of "deposit" or "blockade" as my broker calls it - it is insurance for the bank to keep for the duration of the loan, to protect against non-payment (isn't this what the secured collateral is for in the first place?). So in effect, instead of the 10% down that I should expect to pay on a 90% LTV mortgage, I am actually paying 15% down because of this additional deposit, effectively reducing the LTV to 85%!

To make matters worse, this amount does not actually give me any further equity - it is simply a deposit held in a standard 6% interest bearing account. I still only have that original 10% of the equity. I think this means that if the property grows at anything better than 6% per year, I am actually worse off than if I had a straight 85% LTV mortgage with no "blockade" attatched to it.

Just curious to see if anyone else has seen clauses like this in their recent agreements, or if this is completely normal and I'm just missing the plot.

FYI here's some more detail - some correspondence with my broker to confirm all the details...


1. I have to pay commission amounts to Noble:
3,994.55 + 4,096.75 = 8,091.30 - yes

2. I have to pay "Money Transfer Agreement" amounts to Noble (what is this??):
23,500.00 + 22,500.00 = 46,000.00
- this is only money blockade on your account in Noble Bank. Those are your money but you can't use them to the end of this loans. Interest of this money is 6,04% in this time. When you pay off your loan, Bank will dismiss blockade of your money and will give you back your money with perecentage. It is kind of bank investment. Noble Bank is affraid of not payings instalments of the loan. So if you want pay your instalments Noble Bank can use this money to pay part of your loan.

3. I have to pay "Borrower's contribution" remainder - only on Blizne Park, right?
8,577.65
(I pay this directly to Budimex, right?) - Yes

4. Noble will pay me the remainder on Galeria Park (Obrzezna)
78,216.72 - Yes

5. Noble will pay tranches to developers - Yes

6. Noble will pay finishing tranches to me - Yes

Could you please confirm this is all right? And I need to pay all of #1, #2, and #3 now, right? - Yes

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NeilH (PRO Member) RE: New financing rules in Poland:
Posted: Aug 14 08 13:16
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I had to deposit an additional PLN7,100 in case of non-payment of the mortgage etc. but this is for emergency use only and obviously not an additional 5%.

This was for the Piastow mortgage last March.

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stu (PRO Member) RE: New financing rules in Poland:
Posted: Sep 16 08 15:20
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I have also been told that noble require a 7000pln deposit in case of arrears,and to boot have only been offered 80% of black finish,as opposed to the 90% I was hoping for,thus leaving me with a £16,000 top up,which is almost double the original 10% deposit due to the pound being so weak!

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Daniel Podpora (PRO Member) RE: New financing rules in Poland:
Posted: Sep 23 08 14:03
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halo

at the moment metro(noble bank) require deposit which is 3 x installments when the loan is lower than 500K and 6 x installments when the loan is higher than 500K

this causes that the final LTV can be lower even by 80%

example:
your loan is 300K and the predictable installment is 1450

so deposit is 1450X3 = 4350 PLN

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Daniel Podpora (PRO Member) RE: New financing rules in Poland:
Posted: Sep 23 08 14:06
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i would like to encourage investors to apply not only to metro aspecially in situation when somebody have full-time employment

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